Richard Jones 3933 Friday, April 30, 2004 at 23:55:32   67.35.142.214
Looks like the San Diego lobbying paid off!
Navy’s Newest Amphibious Ship Named in Honor of San Diego
Secretary of the Navy, Gordon R. England, has named the U.S. Navy’s newest amphibious transport dock ship (LPD 22) in honor of the city of San Diego.
“San Diego is home to a large number of the Pacific Fleet’s ships. For decades our Nation’s Sailors and Marines have begun their service to America at boot camps in San Diego. Thousands of military families and veterans have fallen in love with the area and are fortunate enough to live and work in San Diego. USS San Diego will project American power to the far corners of the earth and support the cause of freedom well into the 21st century," England said.
Northrop Grumman Ship Systems, Avondale Operations in New Orleans, La., will build USS San Diego. Three previous ships carried the name San Diego - the armored cruiser (ACR 6) named in 1914, the World War II Cruiser (CL 53) and the combat stores ship (AFS 6).So far, this is the only class of ships in decades that the Navy has held to a naming pattern--all of the ships named so far have had two word name parts. Wonder how long this will hold?
Richard Jones 3933 - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 23:45:30
Jake - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 23:37:10
Jim McDevitt - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 23:13:07
Duane Wilson - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 23:02:40
mike meister - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 22:48:51
Dave Kent Friday, April 30, 2004 at 22:45:42   68.9.249.233
Lots of folks at the big show in Boxborough today. Paul and Becky Huber (our one-time website hosts) are there, and Hugh Daugherty holds an auction Saturday. Hugh has some nice stuff in his auction, but I won't be there and managed to resist leaving bids. Picked up some other interesting stuff. Good luck to the southern tier in Bethesda!
Dave Kent Friday, April 30, 2004 at 22:44:02   68.9.249.233
Jake: thanks for the reunion info. The Air Force isn't as big on unit reunions as the Navy, and this is the first I have ever heard of a reunion of any of the four squadrons I was stationed with.
bill nestor - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 22:42:06
Dave Kent - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 22:39:15
joe lewis - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 22:20:25
Joe Friday, April 30, 2004 at 22:16:15   152.163.253.4
LPD 22 named San Diego......
Joe - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 22:15:54
Joe Friday, April 30, 2004 at 22:14:52   152.163.253.4
Keel for DDG 100 KIDD laid 29 April in Pascagoula....
Joe - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 22:10:13
Dan - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 20:51:45
greg finnegan 9677 - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 20:28:30
Earle Long - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 20:03:29
Mike - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 18:38:25
Ed 10975 - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 18:12:02
esink Friday, April 30, 2004 at 17:58:47   209.198.207.163
Hi: Thanks for the info on the first east-west transit; just finished the canal transit at Miraflores and it was a spectacular experience which lasted the whole day. The lecturer said there was a navy ship always standing by after leaving Miraflores although did not see any indication thereof. Best regards, elgin
esink - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 17:50:17
Roger Friday, April 30, 2004 at 17:02:06   206.82.71.2
Hi Guys:
Got some very nice large t-9 looking cancels back from the USS WASP, with OSC and PC's autograph on the back of each cover.
Roger Friday, April 30, 2004 at 17:00:08   206.82.71.2
Larry Brennan:
Do you know the new zip codes for USS O'BIEN and USS FITZGERALD??Does anyone know if the pictorial for USS SALT LAKE CITY's 20th Anniv. is at Norfolk or Groton post office?
Roger - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 16:54:42
SteveS - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 16:27:36
Dan - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 16:24:22
michael sanchez - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 16:17:53
Dick Morain1 - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 14:56:12
room - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 14:46:32
john beirne - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 14:09:37
lbbrennan Friday, April 30, 2004 at 13:48:22   138.162.0.46
A little naval aviation news for folks who send to deployed units.ABOARD USS GEORGE WASHINGTON, At Sea (NNS) -- USS George Washington’s (GW) (CVN 73) aircraft exerted pressure on anti-Iraqi forces in the Iraqi city of Fallujah April 28, with repeated bombardments from Strike Fighter Squadrons (VFA) 136 and VFA-131, and Fighter Squadrons (VF) 11 and VF-143.
Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 7’s F/A-18 Hornets and F-14 Tomcats dropped 13 GBU-12 guided bomb units on enemy positions, helping U.S. Marines of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force defend their positions against insurgent attacks.
Continued air support from GW remains vital to the success of Marines on the ground who are working hard to bring security and stability to Fallujah.
All aircraft returned safely, marking this the latest of several successful bombing missions carried out by CVW-7 from George Washington, currently the only aircraft carrier in the Arabian Gulf.
GW departed Norfolk Jan. 20 and arrived on station almost two months ago to contribute to the ongoing global war on terrorism.
lbbrennan - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 13:47:56
lbbrennan - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 13:29:07
mike meister Friday, April 30, 2004 at 13:04:07   64.12.116.206
May LOG arrived here in Columbus today.
mike meister - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 13:01:20
Gregory A Mews - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 11:44:09
Dan - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 11:33:54
Jim Woodley - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 11:23:03
Greg Jacobs - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 11:05:36
lbbrennan Friday, April 30, 2004 at 10:37:50   138.162.0.46
Pacific Stars and Stripes
April 30, 2004 USS O’Brien To Return To San Diego
By Jim O’Donnell, Stars and Stripes
YOKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan — The USS O’Brien, forward deployed to Yokosuka, Japan, since 1992, will return to its former permanent base of San Diego in early May, Navy officials announced Tuesday.
The 27-year-old O’Brien is to be decommissioned later this year as part of the Navy’s plan to phase out all Spruance-class destroyers, according to a U.S. Naval Forces Japan news release.
The O’Brien’s replacement will be the Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald, the release said.
The Fitzgerald, now permanently based in San Diego, Calif., is to arrive in Yokosuka in late July, according to the release.
Ship officials reached Wednesday afternoon were unable to comment on what will happen with the ship’s crew. Some options allow O’Brien sailors to stay in Yokosuka, while others have the sailors move with their ship.
“It will be hard to leave Japan” and the forward-deployed naval forces, said O’Brien’s commanding officer, Capt. Gene F. Harr, in an e-mail response to questions. “But we, the crew of O’Brien — past and present — are all the richer for our experiences, which will undoubtedly make us better citizens in our own country, given our insight on world affairs.”
lbbrennan - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 10:37:34
john beirne Friday, April 30, 2004 at 10:12:54   205.188.116.206
Good Luck Cover Buying to everybody going to Bethesda & Boxborough this weekend.Happy Collecting..
room - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 10:10:06
john beirne - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 10:08:53
Greg Jacobs - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 09:42:23
Duane Wilson - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 09:26:58
lbbrennan Friday, April 30, 2004 at 09:12:21   138.162.0.46
Guys, just a reminder be careful in our comments about others, members and non-members. Private communications are probably better.
lbbrennan - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 09:08:55
SteveS - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 08:44:58
john young Friday, April 30, 2004 at 08:31:05   68.193.176.238
On this date, April 30, 1798 Congress
established the Department of the Navy and
the Sec'y of the Navy.
Happy Birthday Navy!
john young - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 08:23:51
Jim Woodley - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 08:14:01
room - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 08:11:58
Roger - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 06:28:56
Dan - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 06:17:58
dcampbell - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 00:38:10
Jake Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 23:52:19   24.60.222.172
Anyone from here going to Boxborough this coming week-end???
Jake Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 23:46:57   24.60.222.172
Dave Kent
Saw in the May issue of Amer. Legion magazine there is an up coming reunion for 551st AEW&C Wing Otis AFB, Texas Towers and North Truro Radar Station, if you have any interest in it the contact number is (508)746-5713, that exchange is in Plymouth,Ma. and the contact person is a Floyd Shank. It says the reunion will be in Dayton, Ohio, on Sept.16th--18thEd D.10975
Hey that sounds great.
Did I ever tell you my son was thinking about putting in for an open billet with the Angels, but at the time they wouldn't let him transfer from Helos. Would have been the only east coast duty station he had in his Navy career.
volker - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 23:46:00
Jake - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 23:30:59
Mike Kaup Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 23:05:19   67.5.120.72
Thanks guys! I will get back to you as soon as I can recover and get back to my computer. The transplant is at 7am tomorrow.
Mike Kaup - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 22:59:00
Richard Jones 3933 - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 22:33:16
Greg Jacobs` Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 22:18:24   24.2.240.126
The guy Roger mentioned is the same one Jake mentioned the other night.
Greg Jacobs` - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 22:17:58
room - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 22:17:21
Ed 10975 - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 22:03:03
SteveS - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 21:28:57
Dave Kent - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 21:00:03
Stewart B. Milstein - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 20:18:08
Dan - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 20:16:53
john young - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 19:24:39
Roger Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 19:10:27   206.82.75.56
Hi Guys:
Beware of a cover buyer on Guam named Joseph Imbat!! He is a relatively new member of the USCS and some folks are already having problems with him paying for covers.
Roger - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 19:00:44
Richard Jones 3933 - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 18:58:19
Ed 10975 Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 18:56:34   12.76.168.170
Jake - Another first for Charlestown. The next Blue Angels CO CDR Stephen Foley grew up around the corner from me although I don't know the family.
Ed 10975 - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 18:49:15
Jim McDevitt Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 18:27:34   209.86.87.22
Happy to received May's Log in warm, sunny downtown Georgia.
Jim McDevitt - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 18:16:23
lbbrennan - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 18:13:34
Joe - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 17:49:46
Dan - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 17:43:03
Jake Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 17:13:52   24.60.222.172
A Very Good day To All
Jake - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 17:08:57
Duane Wilson - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 17:04:57
Mike - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 16:36:06
Greg Jacobs - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 16:30:25
Dan - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 16:22:26
mike meister - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 15:10:04
Thad - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 14:57:04
Jim Woodley - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 14:38:37
lbbrennan Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 13:38:38   138.162.0.46
April 29
1814 - USS Peacock captures HMS Epervier.
1944 - Fast carrier task force (12 carriers) commence 2 day bombing of Truk.
1975 - Operation Frequent Wind evacuation from Vietnam begins.
lbbrennan - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 13:38:26
Tom Maty - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 13:17:31
lbbrennan Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 13:02:11   138.162.0.46
NORFOLK, Va. (NNS) -- More than 1,000 Sailors aboard the guided-missile destroyers USS Ramage (DDG 61) and USS Ross (DDG 71), and the guided-missile frigate USS Elrod (FFG 55) will deploy from Naval Station Norfolk April 30, in support of the global war on terrorism.As a Surface Strike Group (SSG), Ramage, Ross and Elrod will participate in regional exercises with allies, make diplomatic port calls and respond to any contingency, including those associated with the ongoing war on terrorism.
Under their present configuration, they will serve as an independent, imposing force with a menacing strike capability. If the world situation requires, they are fully capable and ready to join any carrier or expeditionary strike group if called upon.
lbbrennan Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 13:01:29   138.162.0.46
NAVAL AMPHIBIOUS BASE LITTLE CREEK, Va. (NNS) -- Patrol Coastal ships USS Typhoon (PC 5) and USS Sirocco (PC 6) are set to deploy from Naval Amphibious Base Little Creek April 30. The two ships will relieve USS Firebolt (PC 10) and USS Chinook (PC 9), which are currently serving in the Persian Gulf.
Typhoon and Sirocco will be forward deployed for approximately 18 months to conduct U.S. 5th Fleet operations in support of the global war on terrorism.
The crews will be on a six-month crew swapping rotation. The crew swap initiative increases the Navy’s forward presence. By deploying ships to a theater of operations for 18 months and swapping crews at six-month intervals, the Navy gains an additional 90 days of on-station time per vessel.
These ships have a crew of 24 enlisted and four officers and due to their shallow draft, agility and quick speed, the PCs are a perfect choice for duty in the Persian Gulf theater.
lbbrennan - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 13:01:24
lbbrennan Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 12:59:41   138.162.0.46
Here are some deployment news for people who try to cover such events.
Boxer Returns to San Diego After Supporting OIF
Story Number: NNS040426-11
Release Date: 4/29/2004 5:00:00 AMBy Photographer’s Mate 2nd Class (AW) Amanda J. Stuart and Journalist 1st Class Karen M. Golembieski, USS Boxer Public Affairs
ABOARD USS BOXER (NNS) -- USS Boxer (LHD 4) will be returning to its homeport of San Diego April 29, after completing a three-and-a-half month deployment in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
This was Boxer’s second deployment in less than a year’s time, during which Boxer provided amphibious lift of essential personnel and equipment for 1st Marine Expeditionary Unit and 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing.
Upon arrival in the Persian Gulf, Boxer spent five days offloading more than 200 U.S. Marine personnel and their equipment onto Kuwait Naval Base. In total, Boxer transported and offloaded 16 CH-53 Sea Stallion helicopters from Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron (HMH) 466, 150 trucks with trailers, several aircraft towing vehicles and associated support equipment, and multiple large containers of ammunition.
“Our mission was to deliver 16 helicopters and other supplies that Marine Aircraft Group 16 needed for their base of operations,” said Operations Department Leading Chief Petty Officer Senior Chief Operations Specialist James E. Marshall, of Ralls, Texas. “We got short notice to deliver. The crew stepped up and did what we needed to do. They completed the mission flawlessly. We were able to support a rapid turnover and support the Marine Corps insertion in the field to give the Army some help.”
After the offload, Boxer’s crew began their journey back to San Diego, making short port visits in Dubai, United Arab Emirates; Goa, India; Sembawang, Singapore; Sasebo, Japan; and Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.
In addition to taking a break from the rigors of life at sea in these ports, Boxer Sailors continued to invest themselves by completing some much-needed ship preservation and maintenance. The crew put in many hours painting the exterior of the ship and replacing valves in engineering spaces, which greatly improved and sustained their quality of life.
“We replaced eight low pressure drain valves for the auxiliary steam system,” said Chief Machinist’s Mate Trent Roberts, of Austin, Texas. “The valves were leaking and could have caused a heat stress situation in the engineering spaces now that we are traveling to tropical waters.”
Before traveling to the warmer climate of Hawaii, Boxer completed her final operational mission for the deployment, which was to exchange two landing craft air cushion (LCAC) vehicles that had been brought from San Diego with two from Sasebo. Assault Craft Unit 5 took charge of the two Sasebo LCACs, which Boxer is transporting back to Camp Pendleton, Calif., for a routine overhaul.
In Hawaii, the final stop before home, Boxer embarked several members of the Afloat Training Group, Pacific, to conduct the Command Assessment of Readiness and Training (CART), which tests Boxer’s battle readiness.
“CART is a snapshot of how well we’re doing our training and systems maintenance,” said Boxer’s Damage Control Assistant Lt. Cmdr. Steven W. Ligler, of Spooner, Wis. “Although engineering and damage control get a lot of attention, primarily due to the highly visible drills we conduct, pretty much everyone has a stake in the process. How we train ourselves and maintain our gear directly affects how well we can execute the ship’s mission.”
After more than three months of hard work, followed by a rigorous assessment process, Boxer will return home following a job well done.
lbbrennan Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 12:45:50   138.162.0.46
Dave, You're right about medical advances. The reports of battlefield surgery in the press are amazing. Today's surgeons would have patched up Stonewall Jackson and Lee would have had his "trusted right arm" at Gettysburg. They have overnight angioplasty for hearts and cornorary arteries. Sports injuries are fixed quickly. We are fortunate to live in a time of so many medical advances. I look forward to Mike's report in the near future.
lbbrennan - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 12:42:43
Greg - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 12:29:33
Dave Kent Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 12:01:01   68.9.249.233
I'm sure some record was kept of the first Navy ship to transit the Canal in the other direction, but my guess is that it was a smallboy or auxiliary, and doesn't get noticed. JUPITER's transit probably wound't be noticed, either, if she hadn't become the first aircraft carrier.
Dave Kent Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 11:59:45   68.9.249.233
Not that long ago there wasn't much medical science could do about kidney failure. Now Mike gets a new lease on life with a transplant. Gripe as you may about the cost of medical care, it sure has made tremendous strides.
Dave Kent - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 11:51:40
Greg Jacobs Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 11:50:16   24.2.240.126
Mike: good luck and best wishes!
Greg Jacobs - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 11:49:38
drew - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 11:31:14
Dan - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 11:30:49
Ned Harris - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 11:10:59
lbbrennan Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 10:34:00   138.162.0.46
Mike, Best of luck tomorrow and for a full and speedy recovery. We'll miss you [for a short time only].
lbbrennan - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 10:33:15
Mike Kaup Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 10:17:56   67.5.121.247
Dave, I was thinking the Jupiter hadn't been converted by that date! Which navy ship made the first transit the other direction? I have read that they have never achieved angle of repose in the Culebra cut, thus the ongoing landslides. P.S. I will be back after a few weeks as I am getting a kidney transplant tomorrow. See ya all later.
Mike Kaup - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 10:11:17
Duane Wilson - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 09:36:34
Thad - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 09:05:40
Roger - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 08:52:49
john young - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 08:38:10
lbbrennan Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 08:27:37   138.162.0.46
David, Thanks for the info on the USPS custom; any suggestions to help me remember the year after New Years for my checks.
lbbrennan - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 08:26:25
Jim Woodley - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 07:52:09
Karl Zurn Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 07:07:50   64.222.93.16
That is under Research Sources.
Karl Zurn Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 07:07:00   64.222.93.16
I picked up some research info when I was in Washington DC. It is on the side bar of our site. If anyone has anything they would like to add email it to me at kzurn@aol.com.
Karl Zurn - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 06:59:28
Dan - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 06:22:12
Roger Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 05:58:06   206.82.71.117
Mike Meister:
Howard Tiffner's Ebay name is "howiecovers".
Roger - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 05:52:47
g. - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 02:18:07
... - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 01:50:23
Richard Jones 3933 - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 01:11:20
Richard Jones 3933 Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 01:01:25   67.35.136.245
Dan-
There are three pictorials for Fleet Week They are in the May Log.
Richard Jones 3933 - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 00:59:52
Gregory A Mews - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 00:18:50
Cliff Meyer - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 00:05:50
dcampbell - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 22:50:55
Jake Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 22:28:28   24.60.222.172
Hi Bill
Jake - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 22:27:29
bill nestor - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 22:22:03
Dave Kent Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 21:49:08   68.9.249.233
I think Howard is howiecovers or something like that.
Dave Kent - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 21:46:48
mike meister Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 21:04:48   64.12.116.212
Does anyone know Howard Tiffners ebay name? Thanks.
mike meister - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 21:03:33
Dan Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 20:55:24   24.25.176.222
Anybody know if there will be a pictorial cancel for Fleet Week New York?
Dan - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 20:53:14
Greg Jacobs - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 20:24:57
Jim Woodley Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 20:04:47   65.66.222.219
LB-
You cant win'em all! lol
Jim Woodley - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 20:03:26
Guest - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 19:29:34
john young - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 18:53:01
Jake Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 18:15:04   24.60.222.172
A Very Good Day To AllThose dealing with new member Joseph Imbat should use a little caution.
If anyone would like details please e-mail myself or Larry Wendell
jake-dan@capecodmouse.com
Jake - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 18:12:31
Ed 10975 - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 17:56:05
Dave Kent Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 17:44:59   68.9.249.233
There used to be a custom of going through a post office on the first day of a new year and confiscating all of the old yeardate slugs to prevent inadvertant backdating of mail. Many modern cancels (especially Type 11 and 12) have a thumbwheel dating device with a continuous roller with maybe ten or more years on it, so there are no "slugs" to destroy. It may be annoying to you to have misdated cancels, but it is a serious matter to the Postal Service. The postmark date on a piece of mail can be used in legal proceedings, and they are supposed to be right. I don't even want to think of what might happen if a misdated cancel were used on an absentee ballot.
Dave Kent - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 17:39:13
Dan - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 17:30:41
e sink - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 17:23:01
Ned Harris - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 17:15:01
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 17:11:36
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 16:54:16
Joe - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 16:13:46
Mike - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 16:11:55
Mike - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 16:08:22
brennanl Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 14:53:37   138.162.0.46
The Halyburton gang, bet that was the first he canceled mail in 2004. I usually write the prior year on my checks for a few weeks every January. It takes thought to change.
brennanl - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 14:52:42
Dan - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 14:45:15
Jim Woodley Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 13:39:11   65.66.222.219
Count me in as a Halyburton anniversary victim also.
Jim Woodley - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 13:36:29
mike meister - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 12:49:52
Greg Jacobs - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 12:49:45
mike meister - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 12:44:46
RICH NALLENWEG - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 12:24:12
Dan - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 12:12:07
john young - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 11:58:44
Dave Kent Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 11:49:43   68.9.249.233
See what happens when you get rid of the professional postal clerks....
Dave Kent - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 11:48:37
Greg Jacobs - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 10:10:50
Greg Jacobs - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 10:10:25
Greg Jacobs - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 09:35:04
Duane Wilson - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 09:26:06
Dan Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 09:22:26   24.25.176.222
On closer inspection, I find that the Halyburton cover I reported earlier was also dated 2003.
Dan - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 09:20:47
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 09:16:37
Thad - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 09:09:40
john beirne - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 08:48:10
SteveS - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 08:28:26
Jim Woodley - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 08:13:37
room - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 07:59:41
room - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 06:54:11
herman - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 06:15:46
Dan - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 06:03:11
Roger Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 06:00:18   206.82.71.163
Gregory Mews:
You did better than I did!!! I sent cover to the HALYBURTON and no date at all in the dial...month day or year!
Roger - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 05:57:47
Chuck French L2603 - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 02:38:29
d. - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 02:04:55
Gregory A Mews Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 00:29:12   169.207.89.5
Last December I sent covers to the USS Halyburton FFG-40, seeking covers to be dated on its 20th anniversary, January 7, 2004. I got them back this week, dated..........January 7, 2003. This is the second time this year where the year-date was inked incorrect. Maybe I can get some covers cancelled December 7, 1941!!!!!
Gregory A Mews - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 00:23:10
mike meister - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 23:51:53
Jake - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 23:27:24
dcampbell - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 23:09:24
greg finnegan 9677 - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 23:05:36
Thad - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 22:10:42
Dave Kent Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 21:58:03   68.9.249.233
Mike: I was also away Googling for the same information on Panama Canal transits. The first east-to-west transit was actually USS JUPITER, a collier that was later converted to USS LANGLEY. Some of the information I found implies that they still had trouble with landslides after the official opening and the canal was often closed for considerable periods of time.
Dave Kent - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 21:56:03
Mike Kaup Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 21:53:18   67.5.121.67
e sink The first east to west transit by a USN ship was CV-1 LANGLEY. The Texas didn't make a transit until 1919. I don't know which ship made the first west to east transit.
Dave Kent - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 21:42:45
Ned Harris - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 21:40:46
Mike Kaup - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 21:32:31
SteveS Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 21:30:46   65.213.44.9
The USS Texas was certainly one of the first if not the first.
SteveS - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 21:20:24
bill nestor - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 20:27:37
e sink Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 20:17:56   209.198.207.163
Hi everybody:
Having a great cruise so far (using ship's internet lounge to post this). Heading to Aruba to arrive tomorrow 600 AM. Hearing interesting lectures on the Panama Canal history. Does anybody know the first navy ship to transit canal? The lecturer said the TEXAS but was not sure. Our ship transits Friday (no time available until day before) and can be seen via Webcam at Miraflores Lock at www.pancanal.com/eng/photo/camera-java.html or
www.celebrityatsea.com (click CURRENT CAMS under
INFINITY). Best regards
Ed 10975 - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 20:09:50
e sink - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 20:02:47
mike meister - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 19:51:04
Dan - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 19:21:20
Joe - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 19:14:35
Greg Jacobs Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 18:47:57   24.2.240.126
This Nathan Hale member will travel but I'm too busy to do so at this time.
Greg Jacobs - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 18:46:57
Greg Jacobs Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 18:46:06   24.2.240.126
I just put some covers up on eBay - five battleships, two aircraft carriers, and a miscellaneous lot of five. All are from the 1930s, 1940s. My eBay is is gbjacobs.
Greg Jacobs - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 18:44:48
Richard Jones 3933 - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 18:06:03
lbbrennan - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 17:07:19
Dan - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 16:26:31
Mike - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 15:59:03
mike meister - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 15:41:35
Roger - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 15:27:19
john young - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 13:34:23
lbbrennan Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 13:05:42   138.162.0.46
Dave, Thanks for the reminder. I should have remembered that Daugherty's auction is this weekend. Perhaps next year we can agree on a venue that is closer for the Nathan Hale folks.. perhaps somewhere nearer to Philly so that the DC folks don't do all the driving and the CT and north folks can make it. I bet that Howard Tiffner and Decatur Chapter can find something in the PA, DEL, NJ range.
Dave Kent Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 13:00:50   68.9.249.233
It's good news for you, however, for it means you get first pick of all the good covers.
Dave Kent Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 12:59:43   68.9.249.233
Unfortunately, this turned out to be a poor weekend for the Regional in Bethesda (yes, I know it was the only date available). This is also the weekend of the big "Philatelic Show" outside of Boston, the only three-day APS level show in New England each year. Also the Nathan Hale Chapter meeting on Sunday, and hardly any of the current Nathan Halers will travel to a show any more. As a result, we'll be staying home, or at best voyaging up to Boxborough, Mass., not DC.
lbbrennan Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 12:56:07   138.162.0.46
Dave, Looks like it's going to be a pleasant regional weekend in the DC area.
Dave Kent - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 12:54:02
lbbrennan Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 12:48:33   138.162.0.46
Hi Rich
lbbrennan - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 12:45:13
lbbrennan - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 12:45:12
RICH NALLENWEG - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 12:41:12
Greg Jacobs` - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 10:46:03
Dan - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 10:25:42
Stewart B. MIlstein Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 10:17:03   12.72.118.186
USCS SALES CIRCUIT - Dorothy and I will be back in Brooklyn as of Thursday. Circuit material mailed to the AZ address will be forwarded to the Bklyn address (PO Box 340141, Bklyn NY 11234-0141). I need material in all categories. Do you have anything that you can send to me?
I hope to see a lot of people at the Regional in Bethesda. If you have anything, I would be glad to accepot it in Bethesda.
Stewart B. MIlstein - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 10:13:28
lbbrennan Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 09:52:50   138.162.0.46
Karl, passive advertising is pretty positive -- and cost efficient. Thanks for this great site.
Karl Zurn Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 09:44:01   64.222.118.74
It is amazing what people will find with a Google search. At my business a potential customer found us by a search on “Sound Level Meter USB”. Could be a very good order with little effort on our part.
Karl Zurn Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 09:39:42   64.222.118.74
Duane,
Great to hear it.
Karl
Duane Wilson Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 09:33:57   204.124.92.254
Karl, Thanks for the great website. Received a letter yesterday from someone in France asking about my covers which he found on the Covers by Members page.
Karl Zurn - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 09:25:51
Duane Wilson - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 09:24:59
lbbrennan Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 08:52:17   138.162.0.46
You have to look carefully in the text to find the year. It formatted differently than on the screen.
lbbrennan Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 08:51:23   138.162.0.46
good morning JWStewart, I hope to stop by en route home. Look forward to seeing you with or without covers.
The Steve Kovacs covers are great opportunity. He did wonderful work for a few years about 10-15 years ago.
For would-be sponsors here is a list of ships events of this date from the Naval War College Library's website. A bit of redundancy but it's something that could be considered for historical covers.
The following events occurred on this day in ...
Ship Event
1906 OREGON (Battleship-3) Decommissioned
OREGON (BB-3) Decommissioned
OREGON (Coast Battleship-3) Decommissioned
OREGON (IX-22) Decommissioned
1914 MACHIAS (PG-5) recommissioned
1934 ERICSSON (CGC-5) Returned
WAINWRIGHT (CGC-24) Returned
WILKES (CGC-25) Returned
ERICSSON (DD-56) Returned
WAINWRIGHT (DD-62) Returned
WILKES (DD-67) Returned
ERICSSON (Destroyer-56) Returned
WAINWRIGHT (Destroyer-62) Returned
WILKES (Destroyer-67) Returned
1940 SABINE (AO-25) Launched
WALKE (DD-416) Commissioned
1942 MONTICELLO (AP-61) Conversion
1943 BARBER (APD-57) Laid Down
BARBER (DE-161) Laid Down
(NO NAME) (LST-27) Launched
(NO NAME) (LST-167) Commissioned
(NO NAME) (LST-204) Commissioned
(NO NAME) (LST-487) Commissioned
PUFFER (SS-268) Commissioned
1944 MAKASSAR STRAIT (ACV-91) Commissioned
GENERAL H H ARNOLD (AGM-9) Launched
GENERAL R E CALLAN (AP-139) Launched
MAKASSAR STRAIT (AVG-91) Commissioned
MAKASSAR STRAIT (CVE-91) Commissioned
MAKASSAR STRAIT (CVU-91) Commissioned
HEYLIGER (DE-510) Laid Down
(NO NAME) (LST-554) Commissioned
(NO NAME) (LST-667) Launched
(NO NAME) (LST-688) Commissioned
(NO NAME) (LST-696) Launched
(NO NAME) (LST-704) Laid Down
(NO NAME) (LST-906) Commissioned
CORPORAL (SS-346) Laid Down
1945 GRAND CANYON (AD-28) Launched
WAXBILL (AM-414) Authorized
GRAND CANYON (AR-28) Launched
BELLONA (ARL-32) Decommissioned
DAEDALUS (ARL-35) Launched
(NO NAME) (DE-89) War Loss
(NO NAME) (LST-1079) Launched
PAYETTE COUNTY (LST-1079) Launched
(NO NAME) (LST-1136) Decommissioned
(NO NAME) (LST-1139) Commissioned
(NO NAME) (LST-1143) Launched
1946 RIVERSIDE (APA-102) Decommissioned
BLAND (APA-134) Decommissioned
STEVENSON (DD-645) Decommissioned
DAMATO (DD-871) Commissioned
1947 COWIE (DD-632) Decommissioned
COWIE (DMS-39) Decommissioned
1948 (NO NAME) (LST-159) Sold
1951 HAILEY (DD-556) Recommissioned
CAPERTON (DD-650) Recommissioned
MARSHALL (DD-676) Recommissioned
PORTERFIELD (DD-682) Recommissioned
HALSEY POWELL (DD-686) Recommissioned
GREGORY (DD-802) Recommissioned
RAYMOND (DE-341) Recommissioned
MAURICE J MANUEL (DE-351) Recommissioned
ALBERT T HARRIS (DE-447) Recommissioned
1953 NIMBLE (AM-459) Laid Down
NIMBLE (MSO-459) Laid Down
1954 JUBILANT (AM-255) Decommissioned
JUBILANT (MSF-255) Decommissioned
1956 BOTETOURT (APA-136) Decommissioned
1960 CAPERTON (DD-650) Decommissioned
ROBISON (DDG-12) Launched
TULLIBEE (SSN-597) Launched
1964 GALLUP (PG-85) Laid Down
GALLUP (PGM-85) Laid Down
1967 ROARK (DE-1053) Launched
ROARK (FF-1053) Launched
1968 PUGET SOUND (AD-38) Commissioned
HALSEY POWELL (DD-686) Commissioned
HALSEY POWELL (DD-686) Decom/Loaned
1972 TRUETT (DE-1095) Laid Down
TRUETT (FF-1095) Laid Down
TRUETT (FFT-1095) Laid Down
1975 CARBONERO (AGSS-337) Intentionally Sunk
CARBONERO (SS-337) Intentionally Sunk
1979 UNDERWOOD (FFG-36) Awarded
CROMMELIN (FFG-37) Awarded
CURTS (FFG-38) Awarded
DOYLE (FFG-39) Awarded
HALYBURTON (FFG-40) Awarded
MCCLUSKY (FFG-41) Awarded
KLAKRING (FFG-42) Awarded
THACH (FFG-43) Awarded
1990 RICHARD E BYRD (DDG-23) Decommissioned
1992 HARTFORD (SSN-768) Laid Down
Sorry it's so long but it's proof that every day is a great day for naval covers.
lbbrennan - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 08:47:09
Jim Woodley - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 08:39:55
SteveS - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 08:38:58
john beirne - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 08:16:05
room - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 06:52:09
Dan - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 06:22:39
Roger Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 05:45:13   206.82.71.37
Dan Jacobs:
Please send me your email address again. I forgot to put it in my address book. DAH!
mermaids@alltel.net
Roger - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 05:44:02
Roger Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 04:49:49   206.82.71.37
Larry Brennan:
Thank you for the info on "Chief" Reeves. Perhaps he was actually in Mc Hales Navy.
Roger Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 04:40:24   206.82.71.37
Hi Guys:
Keep your eyes peeled on Ebay in the very near future for some Steve Kovacks cachets. Howard Tiffner will have them up for auction shortly. Steve did cachets of fighter squadrons etc. on carriers, most of which have the squadron C.O.s autographs. Steve's cachets are some of the best computer generated cachets that I have ever seen and his early cachets were hand colored. Steve's cachets are very limited in numbers(5-6 of each). Steve quit making cachets several years ago. (Steve and I collaborated on a series of cachets for all the submarines and carriers in WWII back in the early 90's. We had problems getting the submarine cachets cancelled and dropped that project. We did manage to finish the carriers though.)
Roger - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 04:29:17
Ed 10975 - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 00:09:17
volker - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 23:40:52
dcampbell - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 23:17:01
Mike Kaup - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 22:50:30
mike meister - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 22:32:50
Jake - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 22:27:54
Stewart B. Milstein - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 21:54:56
Dan - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 21:52:18
Rich pacoastie@att.net Monday, April 26, 2004 at 21:41:17   66.153.33.254
Roger, covers received on this end, will get back to you in a few days. Looks like some covers from Fairwinds......
Rich pacoastie@att.net Monday, April 26, 2004 at 21:39:45   66.153.33.254
Elgin - bon voyage! Hey, if you can, get some blank covers postmarked along the way and we can do cachets when you return. For any US posts, keep an eye out for USCG cutters escourting your ship, and possibly we can document covers for that also! Remember "if it floats, send a cover"!
Rich pacoastie@att.net Monday, April 26, 2004 at 21:34:22   66.153.33.254
Madison WI and Norfolk VA cancels for BB-64 are back with correct date of 4-16-04. Philadelphia is always late in returning covers.
Rich pacoastie@att.net - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 21:30:21
Mike Kaup Monday, April 26, 2004 at 21:18:54   67.5.121.130
If any of you have gone up against GOPERK on ebay for navy postcards and wonder why he isn't bidding at the moment, it is because he retired from his job and is now teaching IRAQI'S in AMMAN Jordan how to be policemen! I emailed him and got that for a reply. His name is Gary Perkins and hails from Portland OR. I met him at a postcard show in Kent WA last year. Nice fellow.
Dave Kent - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 21:14:46
Mike Kaup - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 21:14:00
Mike Kaup - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 20:54:58
bill nestor - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 20:28:33
Dan - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 19:20:39
john young - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 19:00:53
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, April 26, 2004 at 18:52:39   12.72.123.59
got to go - be back later.
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, April 26, 2004 at 18:52:08   12.72.123.59
LB - I'm bringing a bunch of Nuke sub covers to the regional. Will this induce you to drop by?
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, April 26, 2004 at 18:49:16   12.72.123.59
An interesting book tyhe reflects the problem of downsizing and coming up with the right mix of ships is Isenberg's SHIELD OF THE REPUBLIC.
mike meister Monday, April 26, 2004 at 18:48:55   205.188.116.206
Hello Stewart
mike meister Monday, April 26, 2004 at 18:48:37   205.188.116.206
The F14 Tomcat will be gone in about a year or so and the S3B Viking is on the way out. VS 29 and VS 38 were decommissioned at NAS North Island on the 16th. The S3's will be gone by 2007. no replacement for either one.
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, April 26, 2004 at 18:48:25   12.72.123.59
Larry Brennan - the regional is at the Sheraton 4 Points in Bethesda. It is Fri-Sun. I'd love to meet you there.
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, April 26, 2004 at 18:46:45   12.72.123.59
Hi Mike.
Stewart B. Milstein - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 18:46:33
mike meister - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 18:40:52
Thad - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 18:36:24
Ned Harris - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 16:05:05
SteveS - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 15:57:32
Mike - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 15:53:32
lbbrennan Monday, April 26, 2004 at 15:43:24   138.162.0.46
John, The point you raise is important. We had more ships and fewer staff people in WWII than we do now. Downsizing again is a real problem and finding the right types of shis and aircraft will be difficult.
lbbrennan - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 15:41:45
Dan Monday, April 26, 2004 at 15:16:35   24.25.176.222
Also received 20 years in comm. covers from Halyburton (the ship, not Cheney's company) with very nice cancels on the correct date (7 Jan).
Dan Monday, April 26, 2004 at 15:13:51   24.25.176.222
Received Battle of Vella Lavella anniversary covers today.......postmarked 6 months too late.
drew - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 15:13:50
Dan - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 15:12:24
room - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 13:27:01
Chuck French L2603 - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 13:21:53
Joe - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 13:07:43
Dave Kent Monday, April 26, 2004 at 12:58:31   68.9.249.233
Clearly our leaders are still trying to figure out how to configure our armed forces in the wake of the Cold War. Us Cold Warriors may view some of their efforts with alarm (or, indeed, snide remarks) but I'm not quite sure what decisions I would make.
Dave Kent - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 12:43:44
Greg Jacobs - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 12:43:38
Wolfgang Hechler - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 11:58:08
Dan - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 11:40:28
john beirne Monday, April 26, 2004 at 11:22:45   205.188.116.206
It was a snide remark about the Armies/Navies of Northern Virginia (2004 Edition)
john beirne - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 11:20:39
Jim Woodley - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 10:52:16
Duane Wilson - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 10:36:02
lbbrennan Monday, April 26, 2004 at 10:35:33   138.162.0.46
Intersting statistics for the website for March. Lot's of hits and visits, mostly touch and go. This is an improving place to visit.
Greg Jacobs - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 10:35:04
lbbrennan Monday, April 26, 2004 at 10:32:05   138.162.0.46
john beirne, you note a serious problem. The tail is wagging the dog. The thought is to get more warriors in position and fewer people in the Beltway. Don't we have a regional in DCarea this weekend. Are the details posted anywhere?
lbbrennan - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 10:30:12
Stewart B. Milstein - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 10:28:22
R.L. Larson - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 09:40:16
john beirne - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 09:23:49
john beirne Monday, April 26, 2004 at 08:50:16   64.12.116.206
In regard to downsizing Enlisted and Jr Officers...Its nice to see we are running a navy with 1 Admiral per ship,with their Staff,auto's and such..JohnB
SteveS - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 08:45:30
john beirne - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 08:41:10
x - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 08:25:30
lbbrennan Monday, April 26, 2004 at 08:14:04   138.162.0.37
Interesting covers at the USNA museum. There is a Hancock Tokyo Bay in the case with a model of MISSOURI. Nice, philatelic cover; not addressed. More interesting is a North Vietnamese cover with a rubber stamp cachet glorifying an attack on US air craft. In the current Naval History there also is an interesting note about the salvage of an envelope from one of the DDs or DEs sunk at Normandy.
lbbrennan Monday, April 26, 2004 at 08:11:27   138.162.0.46
Karl, wish I knew you were coming to DC; this is my second week at the Washington navy yard -- right near the Naval History buildings and museum. Glad you enjoyed your reseach. Larry
lbbrennan Monday, April 26, 2004 at 08:10:13   138.162.0.46
Roger, Just check and see what "Chief" Reeves is spewing. All of us who know him for years never heard that he was a HTC or even served let alone retired from USNR. Check around and he has been identifying him self on line and in the USNI Membership directory as a HTC USNR Ret. I can't wait to see the photos of him in khaki.
lbbrennan Monday, April 26, 2004 at 08:08:23   138.162.0.37
Here is the big issue that is impacting PCs and lots of other ratings.
Norfolk Virginian-Pilot
April 24, 2004 Navy Will Cut Sailors And Ships, Official Says
By Dale Eisman, The Virginian-Pilot
WASHINGTON — The Navy’s top leadership has decided to pursue radical changes in the size and shape of its forces, likely resulting in the service’s shrinking by “thousands of sailors” and scaling back plans to add a substantial number of ships in the next few years, a senior Navy official said Friday.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the high-ranking official suggested that the success of a “sea swap” experiment, in which crew members have been rotated to keep destroyers on station overseas for up to two years, has led Navy leaders to conclude they can provide the combat power the nation needs with fewer ships than the 375 they had projected.
The Navy now has 295 ships.
In a 90-minute session with reporters, the official sought to “connect the dots” on a series of hardware and manpower initiatives sketched out in recent speeches by Adm. Vern Clark, the chief of naval operations.
The ambitious agenda, much of which would need the blessing of Congress, apparently was a major focus of a meeting of more than 200 admirals at the U.S. Naval Academy earlier this month. The official said it is aimed at making the Navy, and the Marine and Army forces it supports ashore, more agile in pursuing terrorists as well as fighting more traditional land and air forces.
The plan dovetails with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s calls for military “transformation” and the development of forces that can respond more quickly to crises. It puts a premium on the deployment of relatively small groups of Marines, watched over by a network of unmanned planes and protected by Navy fighters and new naval guns that will be able to hit precise targets from 100 or more miles offshore.
The plan also calls for development of “sea bases,” built around a fleet of 12 aircraft-carrier-sized cargo ships with flat decks that could launch large cargo planes to deliver equipment to forces ashore.
“Sea basing” has been one of Clark’s major goals for more than two years. The official said Navy leaders have concluded that the problems the United States encountered last year in securing permission to launch attacks on Iraq from Turkey are likely to be repeated in other countries as American forces pursue terrorist groups.
By stationing forces at sea, the United States avoids having to seek permission from other governments to strike at those terrorists, Clark has said.
The official suggested that the first of the new cargo ships could show up in the Navy’s 2006 budget plan. Along with them, the Navy and Marines are pursuing a new amphibious assault ship, with enough deck space to accommodate perhaps 20 of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighters the two services are developing in conjunction with the U.S. Air Force.
Those planes, which are to have a range of about 800 miles, also are vital to what the official said is the “persistent precision” needed to protect smaller groups of Marines ashore. The official said that while no new target for the size of the fleet has been set, the Navy also remains committed to several major new shipbuilding programs, including a next-generation aircraft carrier, a high-tech destroyer and a high-speed littoral combat ship that could ferry troops and equipment to potential combat zones.
The service lacks the money to pay for all those programs, the official acknowledged. To help close the gap, he said, officials are considering the elimination of three or four of the 12 “Expeditionary Strike Groups” now used to keep Marine forces forward deployed.
By periodically flying in replacement sailors and Marines rather than ferrying the ships to and from Norfolk or San Diego, the service can keep as many Marines forward with eight strike groups as it now has with 12, the official suggested. The 12 strike groups are equally split between the East and West coasts.
The Navy also is studying additional forward basing, including the movement of an aircraft carrier to Guam, where it would be closer to potential trouble spots in the western Pacific and the Arabian Gulf. Officials have refused to speculate on whether that carrier would come from the Atlantic or Pacific fleet.
Five of the Navy’s six Atlantic carriers are based in Norfolk.
In addition to trimming several of the strike groups, the Navy is looking to save money by continuing to cut manpower levels, the official said. With salaries, pensions and health-care costs dramatically rising, “this department cannot keep doing things the way we’ve been doing them in the manpower business,” he asserted.
The DDX destroyer now under development is to sail with just 125 sailors, one third as many as today’s destroyers, and the CVN-21 aircraft carrier is to have 900 fewer sailors than today’s flattops. For every 10,000 sailors trimmed , the Navy can save $1.2 billion annually for other initiatives, the official said.
“The manpower calculus is changing right before our eyes,” the official added. The service is pointing toward an enlisted force dominated by college-trained professionals, some of whom will enter the Navy at ranks that sailors normally take years to achieve, he said.
lbbrennan - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 08:05:40
john young - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 07:35:03
rich nallenweg - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 06:22:05
Dan - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 06:03:04
Roger Monday, April 26, 2004 at 05:54:57   206.82.71.140
R. L. Larson:
The correct date for the Wisconsin is April 16th. The pictorial cancel at Norfolk also has this date.
Roger - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 05:52:55
Tjossem - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 00:26:04
greg finnegan 9677 - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 23:31:17
dcampbell - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 23:21:59
Mark - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 22:49:24
R.L. Larson Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 20:59:44   12.216.181.230
Preparing some covers for 60th Anniv of
USS Wisconsin BB-64, noticed that cancel
at USPS Postal Bulletin shows date
of April 17. is this correct?? Have 3 books
and BB-64 web sight that lists April 16 as
commissioning dat for BB-64 !!
Does anyone know for sure which date is
correct, Apr 16 or Apr 17 ??
commissioning date.
Stewart B. Milstein - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 20:55:42
R.L. Larson - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 20:40:08
Dan - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 20:27:18
SteveS - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 20:26:10
USS BRIDGEPORT - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 20:22:04
Richard Jones 3933 - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 19:36:18
Ed 10975 - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 19:36:15
mike meister - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 19:36:10
Ned Harris - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 19:07:44
Greg Jacobs Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 18:20:44   24.2.240.126
Thanks for the info Dave. Got to run.
Dave Kent Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 18:14:43   68.9.249.233
1908-year-dated cancels do exist, but all are from the ships that stayed home, not the Great White Fleet. Of the maybe 30 or 40 known, virtually all are dated in November and December of 1908. The earliest shipboard post offices were authorized until July and Aiugust of 1908, but it took a while for the equipment to be made and sent to the ship.
Greg Jacobs - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 18:10:27
Greg Jacobs Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 18:02:07   24.2.240.126
My bad, it is 1909.
Dave Kent Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:58:40   68.9.249.233
Greg: if you have a USS CONNECTICUT postmark dated 1908 I would seriously question its authenticity. Experts have spent more than 75 years looking for such things and no one has ever found one. 1909, yes. 1908, no.
Greg Jacobs Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:58:29   24.2.240.126
Bill - do you want them from the cruise or just from ships associated with the cruise?
Dave Kent Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:53:46   68.9.249.233
Hi, William Stewart. Years of research have convinced us that the ships of the Great White Fleet did not received their postal equipment until they reach the Mediterranean in January of 1909. That means that 1908-year-dated cancels do not exist from these ships. Those from January and February of 1909, while they were in the Med, are very rare. There are postcards mailed home by sailors of the Great White Fleet during 1908, but they would have civilian stamps and postmarks of the cities they were visiting in Asia and Australia-New Zealand.
Greg Jacobs Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:52:41   24.2.240.126
Hi Dave.
Greg Jacobs Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:51:42   24.2.240.126
I just looked at usn-ca35's store again - he's asking $75 for a Northampton cover that I just bought from Howie for $8!
Greg Jacobs Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:50:19   24.2.240.126
Hi Bill, I have a USS Connecticut from 1908 that I just bought on eBay.
Dave Kent - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:49:55
Greg Jacobs Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:48:11   24.2.240.126
Just came across an interesting eBay store - US NAVAL HISTORY STORE - run by a person with the id usn-ca35. There are some interesting items but the prices are out of sight. Asking price for USS Northampton covers range from $38-45, covers that I've bought for $4-8 elsewhere!
William Stewart Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:46:22   65.45.222.19
Hi, I'm a collector of the Great White Fleet cruise of 1908. I'm looking for ship cancels from the fleet, late 1908 early 1909 of the 16 battleships associated for my collection displayed at http://www.greatwhitefleet.info/. Also, always interested in talking with others with similar collections. Thanks, Bill Stewart
Greg Jacobs - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:45:37
William Stewart - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:43:15
joe lewis - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:41:49
Greg Jacobs Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:30:35   24.2.240.126
Well, I've got a bid on that lot of covers - from Captain Fox. I have some battleships and aircraft carriers I might put up in separate lots if I get ambitious.
Greg Jacobs Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:29:20   24.2.240.126
Roger - glad I could help.
Greg Jacobs - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:28:27
Jake Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:23:12   24.60.222.172
A Very Good Day To All !!Hope everyone had a great week end.
Jake - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:22:36
mike meister - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:02:24
Mike Kaup - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 16:52:53
Roger - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 16:50:24
Dan - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 16:42:01
Dan - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 15:04:43
karl zurn Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 14:33:44   64.222.118.74
Hi,
Just back from Washington D.C. I spent some time at the National Archives looking at Deck Logs of the USS Vermont from 1907. Was quite an experience.
g. - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 14:33:13
karl zurn - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 14:27:47
mike meister - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 14:03:28
Dan - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 11:28:31
Joe Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 11:08:00   152.163.253.4
Tom Maty: Go to www.tendertales.com.....
Jim Woodley - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 11:07:12
Joe - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 11:03:33
Stewart B. Milstein - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 10:07:43
Thad - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 09:40:30
rich nallenweg - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 08:07:28
Roger Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 06:37:56   206.82.68.12
Greg jacobs,
Great Idea!!! Thanks for the suggestion.
Roger - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 06:35:58
Tom Maty Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 06:30:20   152.163.253.4
Morning
Anybody running history on the sub tenders?
Tom Maty - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 06:29:18
Dan - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 06:24:59
Mike Kaup - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 05:36:52
Jake - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 02:25:26
volker - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 01:10:07
mike meister - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 23:54:29
dcampbell - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 23:33:25
Dave Kent Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 22:39:50   68.9.249.233
Postal regulations do require a return address on Priority Mail, and special classes like registered. It is NOT required on ordinary first class mail. The clerk either misunderstands the regulations or is making up his own.
Dave Kent - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 22:37:53
greg finnegan 9677 - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 22:30:37
Stewart B. Milstein - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 20:58:36
Dan - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 20:47:26
Jim Woodley - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 20:23:31
R.L. Larson - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 20:11:03
e sink - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 20:06:21
john young - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 19:42:04
Greg Jacobs - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 19:18:49
Greg Jacobs Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 19:17:55   24.2.240.126
Roger - in the old days it was common to put the return address on the back flap of the envelope. Would this work for you?
Greg Jacobs Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 19:17:01   24.2.240.126
Tjossem - my eBay seller id is gbjacobs.
Greg Jacobs - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 19:16:15
Dan - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 17:27:13
Roger - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 16:41:59
Ed 10975 - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 15:30:45
mike meister - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 13:51:10
Dan - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 11:45:27
SteveS - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 10:44:14
Earle Long - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 10:25:14
Stewart B. Milstein - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 10:18:44
Jim Woodley - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 09:37:22
Roger Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 08:47:39   206.82.75.164
Hi Guys:
Never heard this one before.The USS MASON refused to cancel my covers because there was no return address on the covers??? I provided a return mailer as I always do. He(the PC) said that this was regulation?? Has anyone else heard of this regulation? I have a new DDG customer who does not want my return address on my covers, so I thought I would try to get some. This is the first time that ever I tried this, and I failed. Intersting to say the least.
Roger - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 08:38:37
john young - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 07:19:47
Roger - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 06:55:18
Dan - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 06:36:01
g. - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 06:21:39
Robert Jank - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 01:37:32
Mike Kaup - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 01:12:55
Tjossem - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 01:09:42
Richard Jones 3933 - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 00:15:01
Duane Wilson - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 00:08:49
Cliff Meyer - Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 00:01:14
Stewart B. Milstein - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 23:56:52
Jake - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 23:26:06
dcampbell - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 23:07:07
mike meister - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 22:07:20
Dan - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 21:41:19
Tjossem Friday, April 23, 2004 at 20:48:39   69.29.201.30
Greg,What is your eBay seller ID?
Don
Tjossem - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 20:45:28
mike meister - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 20:39:06
Dave Kent - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 20:03:22
Thad - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 20:02:23
rich nallenweg - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 19:45:31
Ed 10975 Friday, April 23, 2004 at 19:40:47   12.76.169.33
lb - Yes it's the Barry, one of three of that class on display around the country but as I said it is 'usually' open. That's because it is used for such things as retirement ceremonies at which time the public is not allowed aboard, as was the case when I was there.
Ed 10975 - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 19:28:01
Greg Jacobs Friday, April 23, 2004 at 19:19:37   24.2.240.126
I just put a lot of 110 covers up for auction on eBay, stuff that came in lots I purchased to get treaty cruisers.
Dan - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 19:18:14
Greg Jacobs - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 19:18:07
Wolfgang Hechler - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 18:45:25
Mike - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 18:36:34
Roger Friday, April 23, 2004 at 17:50:38   206.82.71.37
Larry Brennan,
Please explain what it is that I do not get. Obviously I am missing something. Email me at
mermaids@alltel.net .
Roger - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 17:46:20
lbbrennan Friday, April 23, 2004 at 17:29:34   138.162.0.46
Jake Hi,Elgin, Enjoy and safe trip.
Good weekend to all.
lbbrennan - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 17:28:49
Greg Jacobs - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 16:46:15
Joe - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 16:33:29
Jake Friday, April 23, 2004 at 16:10:06   24.60.222.172
Elgin please enjoy your trip, sounds like a good one
Jake Friday, April 23, 2004 at 16:09:16   24.60.222.172
Hi Bill & ElginHi Larry
bill nestor - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 16:07:22
mike meister Friday, April 23, 2004 at 16:04:25   64.12.116.206
e sink Enjoy!
mike meister - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 16:03:15
e sink Friday, April 23, 2004 at 16:00:55   68.213.227.254
Hi everybody:
I am in an INTERNET CAFE in Cocoanut Grove in Miami getting ready to depart Ft. Lauderdale for a cruise through the Panama Canal. Unfortunately, I'll miss the Fleet Week by one day, but expect to get some Mexican, Costa Rica, Panama, and Aruba covers. Best regards...
e sink - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 15:56:23
lbbrennan Friday, April 23, 2004 at 15:43:04   138.162.0.46
Jake, Good afternoon.
lbbrennan - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 15:42:47
Dan - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 15:27:35
Jake Friday, April 23, 2004 at 15:23:18   24.60.222.172
A Very Good day To ALL !!!Hi John
Jake - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 15:22:54
john young - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 15:21:34
guest - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 14:50:42
drew - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 14:42:34
lbbrennan - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 13:29:44
mike meister - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 12:55:11
Dan - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 12:40:11
Thad - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 12:23:32
Dave Kent - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 12:08:07
lbbrennan Friday, April 23, 2004 at 11:47:59   138.162.0.46
Ed, you're right; the display ship ex USS BARRY (DD-933) is open and within sight of the Navy Museum, she is the third of the Forest Sherman class DDs.
lbbrennan - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 11:45:55
Tjossem - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 10:58:56
Stewart B. Milstein - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 10:09:53
lbbrennan Friday, April 23, 2004 at 09:56:18   138.162.0.46
Mr. Reeves, I am merely noting what was posted in your bio in USNI membership directory.
lbbrennan Friday, April 23, 2004 at 09:54:17   138.162.0.46
Roger, You must be out of the loop ... or just don't get it.
lbbrennan Friday, April 23, 2004 at 09:53:29   138.162.0.46
DDG 100 To Honor Pearl Harbor Hero Rear Adm. Isaac C. Kidd, USNSecretary of the Navy, Gordon R. England, has named DDG 100 in honor of Medal of Honor recipient Rear Adm. Isaac Campbell Kidd, USN.
Kidd was born in Cleveland, Ohio, on March 26, 1884 and graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1906. His distinguished career included participation in the World Cruise of the "Great White Fleet" 1907-1909 aboard the battleship USS New Jersey. He also served in the battleship USS North Dakota, and the cruiser USS Pittsburgh. He served as aide and flag secretary to the commander in chief, Pacific Fleet, the first of his many staff assignments and was an instructor at the United States Naval Academy from 1916-17.
During and after the First World War, Kidd was stationed aboard battleship USS New Mexico, and later he had staff and Naval Academy service. He was executive officer of the battleship USS Utah and commanded the support ship USS Vega until his assignment as Captain of the Port at Chrisobal, Panama Canal Zone from 1927-30.
Promoted to the rank of Captain, he was chief of staff to commander, Base Force, U.S. Fleet in 1930-32. After three years at the Bureau of Navigation in Washington, D.C., he was commander Destroyer Squadron One, Scouting Force, in 1935-36.
Captain Kidd next attended the Naval War College and served on the College staff. He was commanding officer of the battleship USS Arizona from September 1938 until February 1940. He was promoted to Rear Admiral and assigned as commander Battleship Division One and chief of staff to commander, Battleships, Battle Force.
On Dec. 7, 1941, he was killed in action on board USS Arizona during Japanese Navy’s attack on Pearl Harbor. Kidd was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions during the Pearl Harbor attack. He was the first flag officer to lose his life in World War II, and the first in the U.S. Navy to meet death in action against any foreign enemy.
Two previous U.S. Navy destroyers have been named in honor of Kidd. USS Kidd (DD 661), 1943-1974, which is still afloat as a memorial at Baton Rouge, La.; and USS Kidd (DDG 993) which served the nation from 1981-1998.
DDG 100, the newest ship to bear the name Kidd, is being built by North Grumman Ship Systems in Pascagoula, Miss. The Kidd is a Flight IIA variant of the Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer, and incorporates a helicopter hanger facility into the original design. The ship can carry two SH-60B/R helicopters. Guided-missile destroyers operate independently and in conjunction with carrier strike groups, surface action groups, expeditionary strike groups and replenishment groups.
Information on the U.S. Navy’s guided missile destroyers is available at http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-dd.html
Photos of Rear Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, USN are available:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/pers-us/uspers-k/ic-kidd.htm
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h48000/h48579k.jpg
The USS Kidd (DD-661) Museum in Baton Rouge information is available at http://www.usskidd.com/
lbbrennan - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 09:52:02
Duane Wilson - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 09:30:11
SteveS - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 08:50:34
Jim Woodley Friday, April 23, 2004 at 08:23:44   65.65.180.74
Good Mornin Folks!Roger
The Martins are good and the Wisconsin cancels were excellent also
Jim Woodley - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 08:21:03
Roger Friday, April 23, 2004 at 08:18:57   206.82.68.106
Hi Guys:
Got my 60th Anniversary pictorials for USS Wisconsin back from Norfolk yesterday. Boy what a mess!! The cancels speared all over the self adhesive stamps, and the caccnel was way to big. Put the entire batch in the "circular file". First time I have ever gotten poor results from Norfolk.
Roger Friday, April 23, 2004 at 08:14:26   206.82.68.106
Jim Woodley:
How are those Martins doing? The gal up the road just put up two more poles full of houses for hers.
Roger Friday, April 23, 2004 at 08:12:15   206.82.68.106
Ron Reeves:
ACTIONS speak louder than words. Please keep your promise!
Roger Friday, April 23, 2004 at 08:08:36   206.82.68.106
Larry Brennan:
The Chiefs run the Navy...why would anyone be upset about being called a Chief?? If it were not for the Chiefs that I knew when I was in the Navy, and their guidence, I would have never achieved what I did in the Navy. Oh Well! some folks just can't be pleased!!
Roger - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 08:03:52
Dan Friday, April 23, 2004 at 06:52:22   24.25.176.222
We get another destroyer for Kidd but still nothing for Alan Shepard. Bah! Humbug!
Dan - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 06:49:06
room - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 06:37:53
Roger - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 06:02:55
Robert Jank - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 02:56:45
visitor - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 01:50:47
guest - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 01:40:51
Mike - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 00:57:49
Jake Friday, April 23, 2004 at 00:40:54   24.60.222.172
Guess if Camp Dewey was in operation in 1910, no one on this board goes back that far, not even Dave K. hehehe LOL
Jake Friday, April 23, 2004 at 00:35:31   24.60.222.172
Hi Greg F.
Found this info on the Camp Dewey Stamp
#C90 A-B - The first stamp "John Paul Jones" is from the John Paul Jones Training School, Corpus Christi, Tx. listed in the Mosbaugh's U.S. all Funds catalog. This was issued in the 1910's or abouts. This stamp or seal was issued in two colors , A) blue perf 12, 12x14, or 14x12; B) green with perf combinations 12, 12 1/2, and 14.
The second stamp "Camp Dewey" is from the same grouping U.S. Junior Navel Reserves. Camp Dewy , New London, Ct. This stamp was issued in three colors, A) blue perf 12 or 12x14; B) brown perf 12 or 12x12 1/2; C) green perf 12 , 14, or combinationStamps can be viewed at this site, you'll have to scroll down the page aways. Still no location as to where in New London the Camp was.
http://www.raster.it/stefano/a/stamps/cinderella81-90.htm
Jake - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 00:14:04
Richard Jones 3933 Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 23:49:30   67.35.139.107
Secretary of the Navy, Gordon R. England, has named DDG 100 in honor of Medal of Honor recipient Rear Adm. Isaac Campbell Kidd, USN.
volker - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 23:48:36
Richard Jones 3933 - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 23:42:16
dcampbell - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 23:33:14
bill nestor Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 22:51:17   152.163.253.4
A little off-topic here: Did anyone in the New York area see/ take pics of the Queen Mary 2 coming into New York today? From the reports on local tv/radio, it is a big deal.Here is a link from the local all news all the time radio stations' website:
:http://wcbs880.com/topstories/topstoriesny_story_112065538.html
bill nestor Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 22:45:56   152.163.253.4
Thanks for the feedback about the museums, I am going to try and get there this summer.Thanks for th einfo about the USS NEW JERSEY Chapter meeting too, John. Will definitly try to get to that one.
bill nestor - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 22:38:58
mike meister - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 22:38:23
greg finnegan 9677 Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 22:32:44   66.31.40.142
nothing in Google re "Camp Dewey" that didn't refer either to army camp in Philippine occupation Back When or basic training portion of NTC Great Lakes. But the scan that Jake posted really looks like the stamps I remember reading about--so will try to dig up whatever I saw. One of the things Hanging Over My Head is about 3-4 years of Linn's To Be Clipped--usually but not always, with notes on cover of which pages seemed worth clipping. I have to hope that whatever it was that I saw about these labels was long enough ago that I did clip and file.
Thad - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 22:15:06
greg finnegan 9677 Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 22:13:43   66.31.40.142
Re Jake's postwar Muridge cover--the numbers as you give them aren't familiar to me. DCBartley used to number covers he sponsored with an automatically-advancing 6-digit rubber stamp; the USCS lore (see Bartley's entry in the Cachet-Makers Catalog) is that Bartley kept stamping 'til he hit 999,999, and then reached 1 million covers serviced. Bob Rawlins entry in the catalog says more info on this was needed--I think maybe more has since turned up, but has only been mentioned so far in passing, pending the next edition. My own sense, from substantially different numbers on covers to different addressees, but same cachet/date/ship, is that DCB stamped the covers when he received them, and then sent batches of covers to different ships--such that 'your' cover and 'mine' might have different numbers depending on when he got'em, but went out together to be cancelled. Either that or he serviced large numbers of specific dates/ships. This was in the era where the collector sent covers to the sponsor, who applied the cachet, and sent for cancels--unlike today when sponsors sell covers they've prepared. But the number you have sounds like it's someone else's system.
greg finnegan 9677 Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 22:05:55   66.31.40.142
Re 'Camp Dewey.' I'm going on a very vague memory; will try to hunt down Linn's clippings: I have a dim recollection that there were a couple of queries (or one w/ later answer?) to Linn's Forum column re some labels from the inter-war period that were some sort of promotional and/or fundraising device for a private venture to provide a Navy-oriented summer camp (and/or year-round program)--sort of a Sea Scouts w/ a Navy, not just nautical, bent. I have no recollection of the name of the organization or whether it had a physcial location styled a 'camp.' But given the veneration of Dewey, his name could easily have been invoked by this organization. I'll see what I have filed--which is the easy part. The hard part is the bales of to-be-filed items--Sigh. But I suspect that the stamps/labels I'm (barely) recalling may be related to what's being wondered about here.
greg finnegan 9677 - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 21:49:06
Dan - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 21:27:10
Dave Kent Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 21:19:29   68.9.249.233
I didn't move to Connecticut until 1969, and don't know a lot about military bases in the state before that unless they had a post office with a Branch Number! The only "camp" I know of in the New London area is the Army National Guard camp in Niantic, two towns west of New London, but that's always been named for the current governor and we've never had a Governor Dewey. There were all sorts of military installations around the area during WW II, but I don't have a good handle on them.
Dave Kent - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 21:12:55
mike meister - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 20:34:59
john young Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 20:20:24   68.193.176.238
Jake: Just a suggestion! Use search on website Camp Dewey,location, dates, etc. Something might
come up.
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 20:16:20   24.60.222.172
Okay John
Was just thinking on Larry B's statement on time, sure does seem to fly bye these days.
john young Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 20:14:26   68.193.176.238
Hi Jake, how's evrything going?
john young Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 20:13:35   68.193.176.238
Bill Nester: Jersey Chapter meets next
Tursday night (7:30 PM) at Phil Schreiber's
house. That's, if your in the neighborhood.
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 20:06:41   24.60.222.172
Hi Again John
john young - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 20:05:56
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:54:45   24.60.222.172
Ron Reeves
Would never consider being called "Chief" as being derogatory,
Navy would go down hill fast without their Chiefs.
But than again maybe I'm a little prejudice!!
Richard Jones 3933 Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:49:42   67.35.139.107
Time to go--
Three hockey games on tv tonight--life is good.
Richard Jones 3933 Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:48:34   67.35.139.107
Bill Nestor-
Washington Navy Yard Museum is well worth the trip. Metro stop is 3-4 long blocks away. Outside displays include a Naval Rail Gun and Vietnam patrol boats.If you have time to kill, go to the Archives and research some of the ship's logs or photos.
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:44:36   24.60.222.172
G'Evening Gentlemen
Jake - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:44:06
mike meister - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:42:16
Richard Jones 3933 - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:35:27
Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:22:34   12.72.119.204
Just reading the day's comments. I do not understand why people get so upset over things that they really have no control over.
Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:19:48   12.72.119.204
Hi Ed.
Ed 10975 Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:18:54   12.76.168.244
Hi Stew
Ed 10975 Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:18:34   12.76.168.244
Bill Nestor - I've been in both the Navy and Marine Corp museums at the Wash Navy Yard and they are indeed worth the visit. There's also a DD there that is usually open for visits.
Stewart B. Milstein - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:18:30
Stewart B. Milstein - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:18:28
Ed 10975 - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 19:07:53
Ron Reeves Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 18:10:30   152.163.253.4
Mr. Brennan: Please do not call me 'Chief' anymore !! It's derogatory to me. I do not claim to know everything, as you seem to think I do so let's let it go at that, and I promise I will never again put out anything on the chatline....
Ron Reeves - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 18:07:54
Tom Maty - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 17:43:46
Joe - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 17:43:39
Duane Wilson - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 16:52:38
lbbrennan Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 16:51:00   138.162.0.46
John, Thanks. There was an interesting photo of the launch in the Washington Post, in color. The stuff about the BOD comes from a usual source of dissent. He has made many contributions to the hobby and has interesting views, not all of which are disagreeable.Jake, as hard as it is to believe WWII ended nearly 60 years ago and our covers from the 1930s are approaching 70 years. when I started collecting even the classics weren't that old. Don't know if we have any CT historians.
lbbrennan - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 16:47:54
Dan - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 16:23:58
mike meister - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 16:07:51
drew - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 15:48:03
e sink - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 15:44:26
Jim Woodley - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 14:31:09
mike meister - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 14:18:58
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 13:21:32   24.60.222.172
Phone call BBL
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 13:19:08   24.60.222.172
Still trying to do some research on that "Camp Dewey" cinderella stamp, was in hopes some of the gentlemen from CT. could help, but guess that Camp was to far back for the likes of Dave Kent, he's just a young pup don't ya know. LOL
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 13:14:27   24.60.222.172
Doing pretty good John, just going at a little slower these days.
john younghooligan Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 13:09:33   68.193.176.238
Ahoy Jake! How are you feeling?
john younghooligan Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 13:08:25   68.193.176.238
Larry B: The two cutters named for Blacks
are USCGC HEALY (WAGB 20) and USCGC ALEX
HALEY (WMEC 39)Speaking of HEALY, she departs for AWS '04
later this month, her mailing address:
FPO AP 96667-3918
HALEY operates in Alaskan waters: her
mailing address: P.O. Box 190657,
Kodiak, AK 99619
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 13:07:20   24.60.222.172
A Very Good day To All!!!!Hi John
Jake - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 13:06:53
john younghooligan Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 12:59:53   68.193.176.238
Need info: I have printed Al Cohen cover,
posted with type 2z* cancel on 29 APR 1946.
The cachet cut has battleships and wording
LAST DAY/ POSTAL SERVICE.
Trying to determine which ship? Anyone
with similar cover
mike meister - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 12:58:22
john younghooligan Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 12:55:26   68.193.176.238
Roger:
Thanks, It's not just one person BOD and I usually didn't like that shot across the bow.
It hasn'y happened yet! Who knows they place
meter machines on the small ships, then we've
have a new field of collecting.
Just think about about sending two self-
addressed envelopes with 74 cents taped on
matchbook covers! Hopefully they will use
green ink for Saint Patrick's Day. Meters
could contain the ship's logo or motto!
john younghooligan - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 12:28:21
mike meister - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 12:26:56
Dan - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 11:57:18
Dave Kent - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 10:45:36
Stewart B. Milstein - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 10:29:19
Duane Wilson - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 09:41:20
Ned Harris - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 09:34:46
Pogo - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 08:59:43
lbbrennan Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 08:52:38   138.162.0.46
Charleston (SC) Post and Courier
April 21, 2004 Army To Christen Ship In Honor Of Black Civil War Hero
By Herb Frazier, Of The Post and Courier Staff
The Army will christen a supply ship today in honor of Robert Smalls 142 years after he commandeered a Confederate steamer and turned it over to Union sailors blockading Charleston's harbor.
The Maj. Gen. Robert Smalls, a logistics support vessel, will be the first Army vessel named for a Civil War hero and the first to bear the name of a black American.
"Robert Smalls for all of us has been the impetus for our backbone," said Smalls' great-granddaughter, Helen Boulware Moore of Bradenton, Fla. "He has given us a real legend and spirit."
The ship will be christened in a ceremony at the V.T. Halter Marine shipyard in Pascagoula, Miss.
As the senior member among some 50 of Smalls' relatives at the christening, great-granddaughter Helen Stinson Greenlee of Pittsburgh will smash a bottle of champagne on the ship's hull.
The Robert Smalls will be the second military vessel in two years to be named for a black South Carolinian.
The guided missile destroyer William Pinckney is named for a black World War II Navy hero from Beaufort, which also is where Smalls was born. The Pinckney is one of 10 Navy ships named for black Americans. The Coast Guard has two vessels named for black people.
At age 23, Smalls was a pilot for the Confederates. He commandeered the Planter, a transport steamer loaded with armaments, from a Charleston dock on May 13, 1862.
Onboard were his wife, children and 12 other slaves. As the steamer left the harbor, he gave the correct whistle signal. When a Union ship prepared to fire on the Planter, Smalls raised a white flag and surrendered.
In the North, Smalls was hailed as a national hero. A newspaper called the ship "the first trophy from Fort Sumter." Smalls and others aboard the Planter were awarded prize money.
After the Civil War, Smalls became a major general in the South Carolina militia, a state legislator and a five-term U.S. congressman. He participated in drafting the constitution in a state in which he had been a slave.
Mount Pleasant resident Damon Fordham, a researcher at Drayton Hall Plantation, said Smalls' action was one of the earliest incidents of black military heroism.
"It was the cornerstone for Robert Smalls' amazing political career, which is often overlooked," said Fordham, who has studied Smalls for several years.
"Most people don't know that he argued against Ben Tillman for the disenfranchisement of blacks in South Carolina in 1895 at the South Carolina constitutional convention. Although he lost the debate, he and the other black congressmen of the time made impressive arguments against the reduction of black political power."
In 1993, Kitt Haley Alexander of Alexandria, Va., began a quest to find something significant to do with her life. While she studied for a master's degree in photography at the Savannah School of Art and Design, she met one of Smalls' great-granddaughters, Dolly Nash, at a Black History Month event in Savannah.
Alexander asked Nash, who was then 71, if she could photograph her. Nash had a more interesting project for Alexander. She told Alexander about Smalls' heroism during the Civil War and his subsequent statesmanship.
Seven years ago, Alexander began the quest to have a military ship named in Smalls' honor and tell his story.
When it was announced in early February that the Army would name the supply ship in Smalls' honor, Alexander wrote in an e-mail to friends that: "Dolly, Smalls' great-granddaughter, is over the moon, as am I. When I called her, I said, 'We've got us a ship! We did it! We did it!' "
Dolly Nash died March 17.
"I am devastated that she is not here," said Alexander, who is the founder and chairwoman of the Robert Smalls Legacy Foundation. "It is her inspiration that caused me to do this work. She devoted her life to telling his story, and she passed her torch to me."
lbbrennan - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 08:52:28
SteveS - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 08:27:59
lbbrennan Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 08:21:54   138.162.0.46
John Young, Glad that "Chief" Reeves knows all. The PC thing is part of a much larger manning initiative. Signalmen are gone already and lots of ratings are being merged. Certainly, the BOD should consider an appropriate resolution of thanks and support for the PC community and a desire that Navy continue to assist with our hobby and how this publicizes what Navy does. It's probably something the SC and PAO world would have some interest in. Bill, They have reopened the Navy Museum on base. It's esentially the same as it was before closing for repairs a few years ago. Well worth the visit. There is also an "art" museum and a USMC museum as well as Naval Historical Center.
Someone else chose when I am doing my two weeks this year. I've missed the Cherry blossoms, not really in DC at the Navy Yard and I drive pass Anecostia and the sewer treatment plant back to Andrews where I'm staying this week.
lbbrennan - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 08:13:06
Jim Woodley Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 07:34:49   65.65.180.74
Good Mornin Folks!
Jim Woodley - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 07:31:41
Roger Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 07:13:56   206.82.75.136
Hi Guys:
Got some covers back from the USS PASADENA and USS HAMPTON yesterday with C.O. CC and OFCs on the back. No autographs this time.
Roger Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 07:12:04   206.82.75.136
Mike Meister:
Now you now better than to challange our Chat Room "expert"...LOL!Dave Kent:
Talked to another knowlegible Crosby fellow last night. He was very familiar with the USS BRISTOL covers as well. He confirmed and was in agreement with all that you and with what others have told me about these covers having had to have been back dated weeks or months after the fact. (He went a bit further and surmised that they may have been cancelled after the Bristol was sunk.) At any rate, I plan on taking all the info I have gleaned from you and others and put together an article in the LOG about these Crosby/USS BRISTOL covers, with several illustrations of the covers. Thanks for your help!!
room - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 06:48:06
Roger - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 06:47:31
Dan - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 06:41:45
Robert Jank - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 02:38:17
bill nestor Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 01:40:50   152.163.253.4
Larry Brennan:Have you ever had the chance to get to the museum at the Navy Yard? I don't know if it is worth the trip. I think the Marines have a museum there as well. Do you reccomen it as a destination?Are you in DC at the time of the Cherry Blossom Festival?
bill nestor - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 01:33:27
Tjossem - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 01:23:17
Chuck French L2603 - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 00:55:32
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 00:11:36   24.60.222.172
GregHere is the scan again
http://www.capecodmouse.com/temp/sneeky/Sicily.jpg
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 00:10:06   24.60.222.172
written like this 8/89
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 00:09:42   24.60.222.172
Greg
Hard to tell on the number on the back, but it appears tobe 8 of 89
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 00:06:54   24.60.222.172
Greg give me a minute and I'll check for #
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 00:04:18   24.60.222.172
Greg
I post a link to a scan of that cover, if you scroll down you'll find it, if not can repost it
Jake Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 00:02:46   24.60.222.172
Hi Greg ---Thanks
Jake - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 00:02:20
greg finnegan 9677 Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 00:00:25   66.31.40.142
re Jake's undated-but-postwar Muridge cover: Went through my MFM collection & am shifting to view that, while Healy may have done the printing, the post-war printings in blue of the 3 pre-war Muridge Asiatic cachets may well have been under DCBartley/JPJ Ch. 2 auspices. Jake noted that his cover was addressed to Sterling Taylor, who was, I think, a member of Ch.2. I have several blue cachets of the 2 other designs addressed to him; 2 are from Dec. '45 and 2 from April and Oct. 46--which might give a rough set of dates that Jake's cover might have been sponsored. We could date a bit more precisely if mine and his (I didn't check) have Bartley's serial numbers on the reverse--if Jake's cover has numbers lower than one of mine (or others') DCB covers that are dated, we could assume his left Seattle, anyway, before the others. What makes me think JPJ Ch. or DCB were involved is that I have 9 covers from Dec. '45 through Apr. '46, all blue, all addressed to Bartley and all with his serial numbers. Plus 3 more, to him, from Aug./Sept./Oct. '48.
dcampbell - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 23:49:53
greg finnegan 9677 - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 23:49:47
R.L. Larson - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 23:45:37
mike meister - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 23:07:05
mike meister - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 22:37:31
Richard Jones 3933 Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 22:21:54   67.35.136.123
As the military prepares for another round of base closures next year, Navy Secretary Gordon English pledged his support Tuesday to keep the USS John F. Kennedy at Mayport Naval Station until the aircraft carrier is decommissioned in 2018.Except for two periods when the Kennedy will be in dry dock in Norfolk, Va., the Kennedy will be based at Mayport for the remainder of its life.
At one time, JFK was thought to be going to Japan to replace KITTY HAWK. If they can't get a nuke carrier based in Japan, look for a large deck amphib to be based there in a few years.
Richard Jones 3933 - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 22:19:10
Ned Harris - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 22:13:38
Richard Jones 3933 - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 22:10:02
e sink Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 22:06:00   68.54.185.158
Mike Meister and John Young:
Thanks very much for the Int'l Ice Patrol and Shirase info...will send SASE for the Shirase info
soon. Best regards, Elgin
e sink - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 21:57:44
Dan - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 21:19:23
bill nestor - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 20:58:12
Dave Kent - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 20:52:21
mike meister Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 20:36:03   64.12.116.206
I don't know about the rest of the membership but I elected a BOD to run the USCS and I think they are doing a good job of that. Mr. Reeves, I would very much like to hear why you think the Navy is going to listen to 1500 stamps collectors about manning requirements for a US Navy warship?
Greg Jacobs - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 20:33:15
Greg Jacobs - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 20:32:34
mike meister Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 20:19:15   64.12.116.206
70 and rain here in Columbus.
Stewart B. Milstein Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 20:17:58   12.72.120.166
be back later.
Stewart B. Milstein Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 20:17:05   12.72.120.166
Warm and dry day here in AZ.
mike meister Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 20:15:44   64.12.116.206
Hello Jim and Stewart.
Stewart B. Milstein Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 20:13:03   12.72.120.166
Good day, gentlemen.
Stewart B. Milstein - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 20:12:10
Jim Woodley - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 20:06:15
Thad - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 19:49:34
mike meister - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 19:42:50
SteveS - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 19:34:47
Ed 10975 - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 19:02:59
Roger Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:54:17   206.82.71.102
John Young:
You are doing a fine job on the USCS BOD!! Don't worry about the self proclaimed "expert's" comments.Jake:
Thanks! Got your email.
Larry Brennan:
It was hot here in the North Georgia mountains today as well.
mike meister - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:49:54
Roger - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:46:10
Jake Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:45:21   24.60.222.172
BBL Later have a few real life things to finish up, before i can play here anymore
Jake Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:38:18   24.60.222.172
Hi John
Hoep your having a good day.Roger W.
See your e-mail, your offer has not been forgotten.
john young Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:36:37   68.193.176.238
John Young:
Glad to see that the "expert" has voiced
his opinion concerning postal clerks on
the small boys. I'm notlong into the hobby,
only since 1978. What I do know that post
offices closed on the "Polar" icebreakers
in late 1990's and that the HEALY had no
post office when commissioned in 2000. One
main reason that she only has a crew of 75
and with direct deposit there is no need to
sell money orders. But guess what, today
HEALY has a post office, probably because
of the upcoming election in November.
Even,I just recently learned that one of the
WMEC's (240-footer) has an cancel.
We can only wait and see, what will happens
to the postal clerk rating! The ships have
become computerized (probably misspelled)
that has resulted into the merging of some
ratings.
Ron, what do you suggest a busride to the
Chief of Naval Operations' home or even
better a march on the Pentagon!
As a fairly new member of the USCS board,
what up with your attack?
Jake Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:30:55   24.60.222.172
Camp Dewey under that it says New London,Conn
Down at the Bottom it says
US Junior Naval Reserve NY
Got any more ideas on it????
Jake Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:29:06   24.60.222.172
Hi Dave K. Here is a scan of that Camp Dewey Cinderella Stamp
http://www.capecodmouse.com/temp/sneeky/CampDewey.jpg
Jake - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:28:14
Mike - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:19:25
Dave Kent - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:18:07
Dave Kent - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:17:36
john young - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:02:37
Drewguest - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 17:21:35
Dan - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 15:54:48
drew - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 15:48:19
Ron Reeves Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 15:37:30   64.12.116.206
I see with the 'oh well' attitude that the officers of the society really do not care if there are PC's on small boys. I guess we'll just have to sit back, and see what transposes in later years. It may be a throwback to the 30's when there were clerks, or at least a mail orderly. I just thought I'd share my thoughts of many years of experience with those who might not have this 'expertise' that I do.
Ron Reeves - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 15:27:39
lbbrennan Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 15:17:04   138.162.0.46
Greetigns from hot and not quite humid DC. Having fun at the Washington Navy Yard.
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 15:16:18
mike meister - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 14:28:53
Jim Woodley - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 13:51:17
bill nestor - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 13:16:36
Paul Huber Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 13:16:31   209.216.175.152
I just purchased an auction lot with over 5000 Crosby naval covers. Many are in great shape. We will bring as many as we can to Boxborough and a lot more to WESTPEX. Of course we will be loaded for the USCS Convention. Hope to see you at one of these shows. Paul
Paul Huber Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 13:14:34   209.216.175.152
I I just purchased an auction lot with over 5000 Crosby naval covers. Many are in great shape. We will bring as many as we can to Boxborough and a lot more to WESTPEX. Of course we will be loaded for the USCS Convention. Hope to wee you at one of these shows. Paul
Paul Huber - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 13:10:35
mike meister Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 12:54:43   152.163.253.4
Got a couple of covers from VF 11 today from the GWashington. Both with the new cancel 1 PM'd 4/13/03 and the other 4/14/04! Finally changed the year date.
mike meister - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 12:48:55
Dave Kent - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 12:13:40
Stewart B. Milstein - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 11:14:47
Gregory A Mews - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 10:20:53
Duane Wilson Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 09:38:53   204.124.92.254
Good Morning LB.
Duane Wilson - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 09:34:45
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 09:28:47
Dan - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 09:05:53
Thad - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 08:36:24
SteveS - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 08:35:18
john young - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 08:21:56
Jim Woodley - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 08:14:38
Alabama - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 08:00:07
Roger Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 06:31:01   206.82.68.22
Hi Guys:
Got ripped off by a seller on Ebay called "princeton69". Watch out for this guy!! When I looked over his seller feed back, he had several negative feedbacks for the very reason that I am going to give him one.
Roger - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 06:28:37
Roger Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 06:19:29   206.82.68.22
Richard Jones:
If you can not locate the LOG with the article in it, let me know and I will send you a copy of the origonal.Dave Kent:
Thank you for your Email and all the information on the "Gang of Four". I strongly suspectd that those covers had to have been backdated, by at least several months.
Jake:
Didn't get a reply to my last email?
Roger - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 06:13:49
Dan - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 06:02:02
e sink - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 05:07:05
bill nestor Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 01:39:50   205.188.116.206
I had a chuckle reading Bob Rawlins' column "For Beginning Members" this month. The story of a member who sent in cachets of the Bronze Star award to the respective submarine CO for his autograph. That was almost me. I did a web search , using the names of the subs' CO's. Didn't get anywhere, so I put the project off. Then I read that another member did it, and was called by the police etc.... Whew.
bill nestor - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 01:36:20
derek - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 01:17:54
Stewart B. Milstein - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 01:08:46
Jake Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:28:26   24.60.222.172
G'nite Ed & God Bless
Ed 10975 Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:27:28   12.76.166.61
I'll keep you informed. Have a nice night Jake - got to go.
Jake Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:25:50   24.60.222.172
Hey maybe I'll get to meet you there. Still trying to work out going up there with my oldest boy, once I'm back in the main stream.
Ed 10975 Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:24:03   12.76.166.61
Don't know yet. It's only been a month and still feels like a vacation plus I'm working part time. Once I get settled I may volunteer once a week down at the cruiser Salem.
Jake Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:21:06   24.60.222.172
Ed-- How do you like being retired??
Ed 10975 Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:20:41   12.76.166.61
Glad to hear that you're feeling better.
Jake Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:19:45   24.60.222.172
Feeling a lot better, still have the VNA in once a week ans a health aid two times aweek.
Ed 10975 Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:17:10   12.76.166.61
Jake - By the way - how are you feeling these days?
Ed 10975 Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:16:00   12.76.166.61
Hi Jake - Retired from the Brooklie PD last month and I am now dispatching two nights a week for the Boston College PD
Jake Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:13:49   24.60.222.172
Hi Ed --Hows it going??
Ed 10975 Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:12:18   12.76.166.61
Hi guys
Ed 10975 - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:11:51
Jake Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:07:09   24.60.222.172
Hi Richard & Mike
Jake - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 00:06:28
Richard Jones 3933 Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 23:59:26   67.35.138.116
Is this year going fast or what? I just got John Young's Part III on his Decatur Chapter cover directors series for the July issue.
Richard Jones 3933 Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 23:54:31   67.35.138.116
Roger
I found the article listed in April 1991 index. I think I have the issue in the utility room somewhere.
Mike Kaup - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 23:53:44
Richard Jones 3933 - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 23:48:46
Robert Jank - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 23:41:55
dcampbell - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 23:25:16
mike meister - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 23:15:10
greg finnegan 9677 - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 22:36:19
mike meister Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 22:11:19   64.12.116.206
e sink. I think the International Ice Patrol only operates thru May so I would get covers to them right away. You don't have to add anything, they apply the cachet and flight info.
mike meister - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 22:08:03
Dan - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 22:06:00
Mike - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 21:58:49
Dave Kent - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 21:17:27
john young Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 20:09:18   68.193.176.238
Thad: No TAHOMA covers received yet!Chuck French: Thanks, I have the AYLWIN
cover with Cuban Cruiser PATRIA markings.
e sink: The Int'l. Ice Patrol address in
my April column "Hooligan News" - I used
Philatelic Petty Officer, USCG Int'l. Ice
Patrol, 1082 Shennecosset Road, Groton,
CT 06340-6094
Too late for SHIRASE this year! Send me a
SASE and I'll send you their address and
instructions. Don't have info nearby! I
usually send the covers in late October.
What I suggest is that you get some mint
Japanese stamps 110 yen each cover (air),
I usually send three covers,as they may
have two or three different cachets.
john young - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 19:35:00
x - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 19:21:15
mike meister Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 19:10:17   64.12.116.206
I agree with Dave and Roger. When the PC's go, the mail will still come and go. Of course the poor slob who just inherited the extra work may not do a good job on our covers but thats a chance we'll all have to take. Of course we take that chance now with PC's!
mike meister Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 18:50:29   64.12.116.206
Hi Jake.
Jake Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 18:50:27   24.60.222.172
Think the C O just rang the dinner bell
BBL
Jake Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 18:45:19   24.60.222.172
Hi Mike
Jake Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 18:45:05   24.60.222.172
Chuck French
Here is a scan of that Bairoko Cover from Chief Thornberry
http://www.capecodmouse.com/temp/sneeky/Bairoko.jpg
mike meister - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 18:43:20
Jake - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 18:43:05
Jake Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 18:33:54   24.60.222.172
Hi John
Welcome aboard, first time I've seen you here??
Jake Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 18:30:49   24.60.222.172
Hi Roger & JohnA Very Good Day To All !!
Greg F.
here is a scan of the JPJ, MFM Cover
http://www.capecodmouse.com/temp/sneeky/Sicily.jpg
Jake - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 18:29:47
John Lyding - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 18:24:51
Roger Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 18:17:17   206.82.71.4
Hi Guys:
Got some USS Harpers Ferry covers back today with clearly struck three bar cancels. One tiny problem though...the cancels were upsidedown. LOL!!Dave Kent:
Good point about the decision makers vs. navy cover collectors. I can just see them changing their minds for under 2,000 naval cover collectors. I'm still convinced that even if stores keepers end up doing the postal work on ships, we will still be able to get cancels for our collections. I really don't see it as a "dooms day" for our hobby. Even if we were not able to get cancels in the future, the are still millions of navy covers out there to collect. Will our hobby "go down the tubes"?? I seriouly doubt it....there will always be pictorial cancels for ship events and anniversaries to collect.
Roger - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 18:06:35
Gcc - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 18:00:03
e sink - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 17:45:47
Dan - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 15:46:38
volker - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 15:11:30
mike meister Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 15:09:42   205.188.116.206
One of the few subs I don't have covers out to USS HAMPTON and HMS TIRELESS surfaced at the North Pole.
mike meister - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 15:08:29
Chuck French L2603 - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 15:05:00
Joe - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 15:02:00
Dave Kent Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 14:43:55   68.9.249.233
I'm afraid that if I were a decision-maker in the navy, trying to decide whether postal clerks should remain on small ships, the interests of postmark collectors would be at the very bottom of my list. We would make fools of ourselves by arguing that the navy should keep clerks on ships just so we can get postmarks for our collections.
Dave Kent - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 14:34:29
SteveS - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 14:31:33
mike meister - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 13:52:27
Duane Wilson - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 13:36:32
Roger Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 12:40:32   206.82.68.178
Dve Kent:
I sent you a scan of two covers today that I would like your commments about, when you have some time. The cancels look questionable to me. The USCS catalog of naval cancels indicates that they may be back dated. Would like to here your comments. You are the cancel expert, not me.
Roger - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 12:35:27
Stewart B. Milstein - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 11:11:14
room - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 10:46:20
Roscoe Karns - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 09:49:46
Ned Harris - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 09:46:22
drew - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 09:33:19
Dan - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 09:31:50
SteveS - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 08:36:26
john beirne - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 08:31:14
Jim Woodley - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 08:26:34
Karl Zurn - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 07:58:36
DDX - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 07:57:41
Roger - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 06:38:10
Dan - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 05:57:34
e sink - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 04:56:40
Ed 10975 - Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 00:26:00
Robert Jank - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 23:46:57
Richard Jones 3933 - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 23:35:35
Jake Monday, April 19, 2004 at 22:27:48   24.60.222.172
Tkanks for the help Greg.
Will try to get a scan of that cover tomorrow
Jake Monday, April 19, 2004 at 22:20:32   24.60.222.172
Greg that MFM coverwas addressed to Sterling Taylor in Seattle.
Jake Monday, April 19, 2004 at 22:17:11   24.60.222.172
Hi GregYes it is Blue and is of the Lion & Pagoda design
greg finnegan 9677 Monday, April 19, 2004 at 22:08:54   66.31.40.142
Will check my Healy collection in re dates of the post-war MFM reprints, but basically they're 1946-47, tho' they might trail off into '48 or so.Our Editor having noted last night here that I'm down to one article on his spike for future LOGs, one of those I need to write up is my visit w/ Fay Muridge in 2002. I'd tracked her down via a sister-in-law whose name popped up in a GOOGLE search. She lives between Seattle and Tacoma. Basically she was an artist who designed cachets, including naval covers. She got into naval covers 'cuz her sister's boyfriend was a founder of the USS PORPOISE Ch. 23 in Tacoma in the 30's. She and her sister are both listed as Ch. officers in the 1936 USCS roster. Much of her work was for DC Bartley's JPJ Ch. 2, but she also did cachets for Walter Czubay and for Alex Hesse's Argonauts Crew in ANCS. Some of her designs were reproduced by others into the 1960's, at least.
e sink - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 22:01:11
greg finnegan 9677 Monday, April 19, 2004 at 21:59:00   66.31.40.142
The Fay Muridge cachet Jake asked about was one of several she did w/ Asiatic Fleet themes for the John Paul Jones Ch. 2 in the 1938-41 era. However, given the ship, I'm guessing that Jake's example is printed in navy blue and shows junks. One of the JPJ Ch. members, Warren C. Healy, who was a mail clerk (rated a Shipfitter 2nd Class) on ABSD-2 in 1943-45, but was a printer in civilian life, seems to have reprinted some of the MFM/JPJ prewar cachets right after the war--usually in blue, which few, if any, of the pre-war ones were. Of the 3 Asiatic Fleet cachets--DD bow-on, Lion & Pagoda, and 2 or 3 Junks, it was mainly the latter that were reprinted in blue. My guess is that Healy did the reprinting--as he did while in ABSD-2, with some JPJ cachets--but it's possible that the Chapter was behind the postwar revival, and not only he-himself. But his name is on alot of'em--tho' at least one other JPJ member (whose name escapes me) (William Welch?) is also on a lot of the post-war covers.
greg finnegan 9677 - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 21:44:17
Jim Woodley - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 21:44:02
Dan - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 21:33:46
e sink Monday, April 19, 2004 at 21:19:50   68.54.185.158
Mike Meister / Richard Jones:
Just sent two more covers to the GW requesting them to check the date and return covers with an the correct year. Too bad because they did a great job on the covers except for the wrong year which would make the cover historically inaccurate.
Gregory A Mews - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 21:14:30
e sink - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 21:10:09
mike meister - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 20:22:35
Jake Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:34:32   24.60.222.172
Yes Stewart, figured that out already as ship was commissioned in '46 I believe??
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:33:47   12.72.120.82
Got to go - be back later.
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:33:29   12.72.120.82
Date would have to be post-WW II.
Jake Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:31:54   24.60.222.172
Hi StewartThanks, guess that takes care of the cachet maker, now still need a date
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:30:29   12.72.120.82
Jake - MFM I believe is Fay Muridge.
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:29:51   12.72.120.82
Hi Jake.
Stewart B. Milstein - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:29:31
Jake Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:27:02   24.60.222.172
Hi Chuck French
Checked that cover again, the name is Fred K. Thornberry JOC(SS) which i would take as being a Chief Journalist.Dave Kent
Came across a cover from the USS Sicily CVE118, appears tobe a Type 2 cancel with no date or year in the cancel, first time I've had one like this.
It has a JPJones Chapter cachet Saying "U.S.Fleet in Asiatic Waters", with the intials "MFM" in lower right of the cachet. Can you please help with a date for this cover.
Thad - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:25:43
Mike - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:17:50
Dan Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:09:37   24.25.176.222
Thad - I too have not received my covers from TAHOMA and she's homeported just 18 miles from me.
Dan - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:06:32
Jake - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:05:30
Thad Monday, April 19, 2004 at 19:02:36   152.163.253.4
Has anyone received covers back from the USCGC Tahoma with her cancel that I reported back in March? I resent to her and haven't had a response and was wondering if others received the cancel.
SteveS Monday, April 19, 2004 at 18:58:26   65.213.44.9
I don't think the Navy or those who make the decisions that fund the Armed Forces really care too much about our hobby. Things like wars, terrorism and states of readiness are more likely to influence where the money is spent.
Thad - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 18:54:17
SteveS - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 18:53:41
Roger - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 18:38:24
Ron Reeves Monday, April 19, 2004 at 18:34:03   205.188.116.206
Having read the article in Navy Times about the abolishment of the PC rate in FY'07, I have contacted a lot of friends whom I know as PC's having dealt with them over the years, and the consensus is that USCS should go public, and lodge protest with NAVSEA concerning the potential damage such an action would do to the hobby. That is if you all really care. USPS has certain guidelines governing bonding of PC's but have not heard a peep out of them yet, but too early-guess they'll wait till the last moment to act. You can't go buy a stamp at post office you haveto have a Navy Cash Card, or purchase from a DISBO on a ship a 'Visitor' card which would be good on any ship, to even purchase at ships store unless youwant to send a money order which costs you a fee to buy emblematics. So listen up, write letters officially to NAVSEA outlining the damages to hobby, and hopefully they'll give the stright skinny to you so you can publish it in LOG for all hands, or just sit back and do nothing and let hobby go down the tubes. I am currently at NNSY working the Kearsarge (LHD 3), and have witnessed the end of cash on all ships on 1 April, I'll shift to Bataan (LHD 5) in May. Feedback welcome those of you who know my email, or drop it here for all to read...
Ron Reeves - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 18:12:37
Pete Monday, April 19, 2004 at 16:36:24   167.93.23.110
Roger-
I have talked to Bob and he has given me lots of material and help.
Pete - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 16:33:15
Dan - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 16:04:30
SteveS - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 15:11:01
mike meister Monday, April 19, 2004 at 13:56:53   205.188.116.206
Hello Jake.
mike meister Monday, April 19, 2004 at 13:56:19   205.188.116.206
Received covers today from George Washington from VF 11. Again with the new USS WASHINGTON cancels but as before they have a 2003 date. I have covers from VF 11 with the GW cancel dateed 4/3 4/6 and 49/ all with the year as 2003. Don't know why they would put a 2003 year slug in a new cancel.
Jake Monday, April 19, 2004 at 13:56:16   24.60.222.172
Hi MikeA very Good Day To All!!!
Jake - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 13:55:53
mike meister - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 13:51:14
Dave Kent - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 13:15:41
e sink - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 12:29:03
Greg Jacobs - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 12:19:12
Dan - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 12:16:54
gCC - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 11:57:05
gCC - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 11:54:37
Stewart B. Milstein - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 10:23:19
SteveS - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 08:48:59
john beirne - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 08:32:03
john beirne - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 08:23:00
Jim Woodley - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 08:07:59
cve-nut - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 07:51:24
Jim Woodley - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 07:26:05
Dan - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 05:56:58
Roger Monday, April 19, 2004 at 05:46:05   206.82.68.116
Howard Tiffner continues to offer some great covers up for auction on Ebay. Howard and I talk every few days and he tells me he will have several hundred one of a kind Crosby naval covers up soon, as well as some treaty cruisers(keep your eyes peeled Greg Jacobs). Howard is realizing bidding that is 50% above and in some cases twice to three times what he sets as an opening bid for many(not all) of the covers he is posting. I have picked up several covers in Howard's auction recently, that I have been wanting for years!! Several of us in the USCS have been suggesting to Howard for years that he should get on Ebay and cater to those of us who can not afford to travel to shows and conventions.
So far it looks like Ebay is paying off for Howard!! I have even seen some of our most vocal Ebay bashers participating in Howard's auctions. Ain't tha a hoot??
Roger Monday, April 19, 2004 at 05:26:50   206.82.68.116
Richard Jones:
If you will contact Bob Karrer at bkarrer@bellsouth.net he can help you out with the history of the Coco Solo Submarine Base and has gobs of PPCs of the base and submarines stationed there. Bob is the President of the Isthmian Collectors Club( a philatelic & post card colletors club) and he is a renown C.Z. Historian, and considered the leading expert on all things Canal Zone . He spent the bulk of his military career in the Canal Zone. If you would like his phone #, let me know. Bob and I have co-authored a book on Naval covers and cancels related to the CZ and Panama in 1991. The book won the Cardinal Spellman Silver Medal for Philatelic Literature. The USCS co-published this book along with the Canal Zone Study Group(philatelic club). You should be able to get a copy of it from whoever handles/sells USCS publications.
If you look in past issues of the LOG, you will find an article by yours truly(Roger Wentworth) entitled "U.S. Submarine Base, Coco Solo, Canal Zone". This article has post card illustrations of submarines in the canal, cancels from submarines with Coco Solo in the killer bars, and naval cover cachets related to the Coco Solo Submarine Base.
I have passed on all this info to you twice now in the chat room and not received a response from you that you received/read it, or that you were even interested in it.
Roger - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 04:56:16
e sink - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 04:55:38
Chuck French L2603 Monday, April 19, 2004 at 01:11:04   68.225.232.143
To Jake -I checked the USS BAIROKO Shipmates List from the USS Bairoko CVE115 Assoc. It lists nowhere among some 1300 names a Chief Thornbery. Closest is a David Thornhill. However, that name did seem somewhat familiar to me.For John Young - I came across a USS Aylin Decatur Chapter cacheted cover dated May 12, 1935. The cachet says "The Republic of Cuba sends the Crusier Patria to salute the USS Olympia, Philadelphia, PA". In diamond boxes on either side, it states "Dewey Day" and "Mother's Day"; Killer bars (T-3) read "Mother's Day/Phila, Pa". It is back-cancelled with markings from the Patria.
Richard Jones 3933 Monday, April 19, 2004 at 00:40:07   67.35.142.50
mike meisterWhat is the date in the G Washington cancellation that you just received?
Chuck French L2603 - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 00:40:05
Richard Jones 3933 Monday, April 19, 2004 at 00:36:45   67.35.142.50
Greg- I still have one article from you for a future LOG. I have one from Steve Shay that has been sitting on hold for a few months. May ends the Yangtze Patrol series. This has been a good year for quality articles. John Young has been doing some heavy research on the Decatur Chapter 4 cachet sponsors. I am working on my own article on Coco Solo, CZ and went through all of the LOGs at the National Archives last month. Duty must have been very challenging there from the number of sailors brought up for courts Martial and sent to Portsmouth NH brig.
Richard Jones 3933 - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 00:26:02
greg finnegan 9677 Monday, April 19, 2004 at 00:15:46   66.31.40.142
Footnote to the PC vs pre-war NMN thread: am pasting in my notes re mail clerks on PR-2 MONOCACY during my dad's service in her in 1932-33, from Deck Logs and Muster Rolls at Nat'l. Archives:Note: the data below are taken from the REPORT OF ENLISTED PERSONNEL, “to be forwarded to the Bureau of Navigation on last day of calendar month” These are bound in, folded, in the annual volumes of Deck Logs. They are *not* present for most months.
The purpose appears to be to record all holders of rates and qualifications, and all changes in same in month. This is *not* the Muster Roll, which records every enlisted member of the crew and any changes in the quarter being reported. The REPORT OF ENLISTED PERSONNEL seems to pertain more to what billets are filled and which are not. Section 5, for example, returned as ‘none’, is “Men by Ratings on Temporary Duty.” (This does not appear to pertain to armed guard detachments, tho’ as the forms are bound in folded, usually, in quarters, it’s hard to work with them.)
One section of the report is headed “Divers” and seems to list all possible qualifications (as distinct from ratings). (These seem to be the sort of thing referred to by the National Geographic book in WWII as “Distinguishing Marks”, as distinct from “Specialty Marks” which indicate Specialty Ratings and as such are part of Petty Officer sleeve insignia. Distinguishing Marks don’t include Petty Officer grade. The “Divers” list runs:
Pigeonmen
Lighter-than-Air Duty
Watch and Clock Repairman
Electric Welders
Parachute Men
Aviation Instrument Men
Instructors of Recruits
Instructors of Service Schools
Cooks Qualified as Bakers
Sound Motion Picture Technician
Optical Repairman
Radioman Qualified in Aircraft
Mail Clerk
Qualified Submarineman
Foreign Language Interpreters and Translators
Motion Picture Projectionists
Operators of Special Machinery
Laboratory Technicians
Dental Technicians
Misc.
Except for MAIL CLERK and SOUND MOTION PICTURE TECHNICIAN, all MONOCACY reports seen have “none” entered for the “divers” list; the only reports bound with the Deck Logs for 1932 and 1933 are noted below.
MONOCACY PR-2
31 March 1932
MAIL CLERKS CATO, Paul David S1c Mark 3.8
POLLARD, George Malcolm Y1c Mark 3.9
[Pollard appears on the line opposite qualified submariners, but than line is recorded as “none” in all other reports, and as there is an “s” on MAIL CLERKS it seems safe to assume there were 2.]
30 June 1932
MAIL CLERK CATO, Paul David QM3c 260-40-41 Mark 3.6
31 March 1933
MAIL CLERK CATO, Paul David QM3c Mark 4.0
30 June 1933
MAIL CLERK DAVIS, Clayton D. QM1c Mark 4.0
SND.MOTION PICT.TECH: LANDRY, Albert Joseph EM1c Mark 4.0
30 September 1933
MAIL CLERK CLARK, James W. 267-65-62 GM1c Mark 4.0
SND.MOTION PICT.TECH: LANDRY, Albert Joseph EM1c Mark 4.0
greg finnegan 9677 Monday, April 19, 2004 at 00:07:20   66.31.40.142
Richard--greetings! Just reloaded at '200' after having to go to 500 to jump back to my last posting. Price for being busy. Anyway, thanks for another great LOG--mine arrived in Cambridge MA on, I think, the 9th? will check and let you know.
Richard Jones 3933 - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 00:02:14
greg finnegan 9677 - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 23:27:10
mike meister - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 23:10:23
Jake - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 23:06:35
dcampbell - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 23:03:41
Stewart B. Milstein Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 22:21:51   12.72.124.162
Good evening, gentlemen.
Stewart B. Milstein - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 22:21:29
room - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 22:19:14
Tjossem - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 22:17:23
bill nestor - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 22:16:37
Thad - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 21:52:00
Ed 10975 - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 21:32:40
Jim Woodley - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 21:03:54
Mike Kaup - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 20:57:03
Dan - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 20:06:59
e sink - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 20:05:57
Stewart B. Milstein - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 19:25:35
Jim Klinger - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 18:44:01
Mike - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 18:31:32
pacoastie@att.net Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 18:21:13   66.153.33.254
I,m sure that the below has probably been "pasted" before this, but if it was, it's important enough to post it again. Sort of a step back in time to th days before the PC rating. Gee, I guess we did not do our part and give them enough mail (covers) to keep the "small boys" in business! Ha!
pacoastie@att.net Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 18:18:16   66.153.33.254
No more postal clerks on most ships
By Mark D. Faram
Times staff writer
The days of getting stamps or money orders from a postal clerk on board many surface ships are coming to an end. As part of the effort to reduce shipboard manning, Vice Adm. Timothy LaFleur, who commands all surface forces, said in an April 6 message that postal clerks no longer will serve on cruisers, destroyers, frigates, amphibious transport docks and dock landing ships.The move won’t affect PCs on aircraft carriers, amphibious assault ships and submarine tenders. “The plan calls for the remaining postal clerks to detach at their normal rotation date,” said Lt. Cmdr. Pat McNally, spokesman for Naval Surface Forces in San Diego. There are no plans at the moment to move anyone early, but after the PCs transfer, postal work on small boys will be done by a “postal petty officer,” likely a storekeeper or ship’s serviceman, McNally said.LaFleur made the decision after evaluating the results of optimal manning tests on the destroyer Milius and cruiser Mobile Bay.Both ships recently completed deployments without a postal clerk onboard and, McNally said, neither experienced problems in mail service or passing postal inspections. “I think it is an excellent idea,” said Postal Clerk 2nd Class (SW/AW/SS) Samuel Rogers, who works in the post office onboard the aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk.“They don’t get much mail on small ships,” Rogers said. “They don’t sell many money orders either.”He says he hopes the move will mean more postal clerks will be assigned to aircraft carriers and fleet mail centers, where there’s a shortage of personnel.“When I was stationed in Bahrain, there was a shortage of PCs, and [we] had some SKs and SHs working in the fleet mail center,” he said. “Last year on the ‘Hawk,’ we were undermanned, too.”Altogether, roughly 150 postal clerk billets are being eliminated from surface ships. Surface Forces Command has yet to decide if it will eliminate all or some of those billets from its PC allowance.“Since they own the billets, they can redistribute as they see fit,” said Cmdr. Matt Wisniewski, head of enlisted plans for the Navy’s Chief of Personnel in Arlington, Va.Currently, 448 of nearly 900 postal clerks are on sea duty, he said.Eliminating the PC billets was one of two options considered when the Navy first started experimenting with optimal manning on destroyers in 2001. According to the Naval Supply Systems Command Web site, a second option, favored by Atlantic Fleet, was to keep postal clerks onboard and use them as storekeepers when they weren’t handling postal duties. “That’s what I’d recommend they do,” said retired Master Chief Postal Clerk Michael Bertalan. “I think they’re making a mistake removing them altogether.”Bertalan spent 27 years in Navy post offices, including a tour as a postal inspector, and agrees that postal clerks don’t always have work to do. As a result, they were easy targets for elimination.“I think it’s easier to train a PC to do supply duties than to try and make an SK or SH into a postal clerk,” he said. “When I was a postal inspector, most of the problems I found were when they had non-PCs handling money and the mail.“You’re dealing with two sets of regulations here, both the Navy’s and the U.S. Postal Service,” he said.Rogers says money- and mail-handling issues may have been problems in the past, but he adds that he doesn’t think it will be an issue with training for new collateral-duty postal petty officers in both Navy and U.S. Postal Service regulations. “You can just install a machine to sell the stamps and then open a separate window in the ship’s store to sell money orders,” Rogers said. The move also could pave the way for a merger of postal clerks into either the SK or SH ratings.“It’s just being looked at now, and the rating manager is doing preliminary commonality studies,” Wisniewski said. “No decisions have been made.”“I would welcome the merger,” Rogers said. “For me, it’s cool — I can study SK and SH stuff and maybe make first,” he said.“If it were up to me, I’d combine all supply [ratings] and let us all compete. The best will stay, the weak will go.” Mark D. Faram covers enlisted personnel issues. His e-mail address is mfaram@navytimes.com.
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Contributed,
YNCS Don Harribine, USN(Ret)
pacoastie@att.net - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 18:16:19
e sink - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 18:02:03
Joe - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 18:01:33
Dave Kent Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 16:39:21   68.9.249.233
Our local TV sportscaster, in announcing the Red Sox win over the Yankees, reported it as a victory over the Evil Empire.
Dan - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 16:37:49
Dave Kent - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 16:35:50
Ned Harris - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 16:28:28
Jake Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 16:12:20   24.60.222.172
A Very Good Day To All !!!
Jake - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 16:04:15
Ed 10975 Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 15:33:01   12.76.167.145
Stew - Iknow, Iknow, last year is still fresh in my mind.
Ed 10975 - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 15:24:23
Howard - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 15:10:09
mike meister - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 13:48:37
Thad - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 13:44:44
e sink - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 13:33:12
Stewart B. Milstein - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 13:28:41
lbbrennan Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 13:08:23   205.188.116.206
GW has used "Washington" on her boats for years. When I first saw the Pboats I thought they were antiques from BB-56. Slow old brain took a while to figure it out. These multiple name ships usually get truncated by the crew, who wants to call over the 1MC "Dwight D. Eisenhower, arriving" every time the CO crosses he quarterdeck. By and large it is better to just stick with just the last name but ... I don't get to name ships.
lbbrennan - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 13:06:01
Greg Jacobs - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 12:22:11
e sink Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 11:58:29   68.54.185.158
Mike Meister:
My USS GW "short bars" reported yesterday also
had the "Washington" only.John Young:
Referencing your info on the Japanese "Shirase"
and International Ice Patrols, would appreciate if you could please provide address and procedures (or source)for obtaining such covers.
Thanks. esink@comcast.net
e sink - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 11:48:44
SteveS - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 11:11:25
Dan - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 10:54:52
volker - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 10:28:37
lbbrennan - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 09:30:52
lbbrennan Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 09:28:54   205.188.116.206
good morning John and Roger -- looks like the ice has broken in the antarctic operations. No spring this year, nearly summer weather and I'm off to DC in a few hours.
lbbrennan - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 09:27:08
john young Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 09:26:12   68.193.176.238
Covers received Thursday include:
Japanese icebreaker SHIRASE (5002)
45th Antarctic Operation 2003-2004 posted
16.1.1. (1 JAN 04)
USCGC SUNDEW (WLB 404) m.c. 13 APR 04
They have new cachet! bottom lines Duluth
Missesota/ Est. 1944
Friday received covers from Commander
Int'l.Ice Patrol corner card with cachets
RMS TITANIC Memorial Wreath Drop. Cover flown
8 APR 04 from Elizabeth City, NC to St. Johns
Newfoundland on CG 1500, m.c. Hartford, CT on
4/15/04. Guess they were dropped off at Groton
Roger Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 09:17:42   206.82.68.156
Hi Guys:
There is a seller on Ebay called "noblespirt". BE CAREFUL!!! They has over 30 negative feedbacks in the last 12 months!! and 4 so far this month. I too have had problems with this seller, as has a very close friend of mine.
Roger - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 09:14:53
john young - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 09:03:41
Roger Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 07:10:01   206.82.68.156
Dave Kent:
Thank You for your help! I really enjoyed our phone chat the other day. Every one I have called(32 different people and several dealers) and asked the same question, gave me the same answer that you did. So, a majority concensous out rules the few.
Roger Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 07:06:08   206.82.68.156
Hi Jake,
Look forward to hearing from you.
mermaids@alltel.net(email)
706-864-9190(phone)
Roger - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 07:02:58
Dan - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 06:32:39
e sink - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 00:57:25
Stewart B. Milstein Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 00:12:03   12.72.120.92
Ed - it is a VERY LONG SEASON.
Stewart B. Milstein Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 00:11:28   12.72.120.92
Hi Jim - you are up late.
Stewart B. Milstein - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 00:11:10
Jim McDevitt - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 00:05:49
Duane Wilson - Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 00:02:20
dcampbell - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 23:52:12
Dave Kent - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 22:51:55
Ed 10975 Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 22:47:04   12.76.162.141
So far Red Sox 2 Yankees 0 Not getting ARod is starting to look good.
Ed 10975 - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 22:37:43
Dan - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 20:47:06
sTEWART b. mILSTEIN - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 20:35:24
Tjossem - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 20:20:33
Thad - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 19:43:56
mike meister Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 19:32:56   152.163.253.4
I received a couple of covers today from GEORGE WASHINGTON today, again with a new cancel that reads USS WASHINGTON! Don't know why they left George out!
mike meister - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 19:28:21
Dan - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 19:13:47
SteveS - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 19:01:05
Mike - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 18:27:48
Jake Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 17:57:20   24.60.222.172
Roger W.Thanks !! will drop you an e-mail later.
Jake Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 17:53:44   24.60.222.172
Dave KentOnly info I could see on that "Cinderella Stamp" Was Camp Dewey, when I get it in my grubby hands will make a scan of it, as there is alot more writting on it that does not show inthe seller's scan.
Chuck French
By chance do you remember a Chief Thornberry that was aboard the Bairoko in 1952?
Only info I could find on the net that might have something to do with it is, there was a school in New London for Reserve Junior Officers, maybe it is in relation to some part of that school.
Jake Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 17:34:23   24.60.222.172
HI Larry
Jake - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 17:34:09
lbbrennan Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 17:22:21   205.188.116.206
It was nearly 80 today but it's going to snow tonight. The Ayatollah is actually cooking dinner. Too late to get a cover canceled for the event.
lbbrennan - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 17:21:07
Dave Kent - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 16:42:29
Earle Long - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 16:22:24
DD-21 - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 16:17:21
Stewart B. Milstein - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 16:16:40
Dan Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 15:55:35   24.25.176.222
Received covers today from MASON and GUNSTON HALL, Both very nice cancels.
Dan - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 15:54:00
e sink Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 15:39:43   68.54.185.158
Just received 2 great FREE franked covers (short-bar cancel with cachet perfectly done) from USS GEORGE WASHINGTON.
e sink - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 15:37:25
SteveS - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 14:36:35
Roger Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 13:00:13   206.82.75.178
Hi Guys:
Just got my USS MASON covers back unopened and unserviced.
Roger - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 12:59:30
Dan - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 12:09:40
Joe - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 12:01:12
Joe - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 11:49:53
Richard Jones 3933 - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 11:38:48
Tom Maty - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 11:26:58
Stewart B. Milstein - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 11:07:58
SteveS - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 10:52:49
lbbrennan Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 10:39:40   152.163.253.4
Crew of Civil War Submarine to Be Buried
By BRUCE SMITH, APCHARLESTON, S.C. (April 17) - Descendants from North and South have come to the city where the Civil War began to bury the crew of the Confederate submarine H.L. Hunley, the first sub in history to sink an enemy warship.
The crew was scheduled to be buried Saturday in a ceremony expected to attract thousands of re-enactors.
A funeral procession, in which coffins draped in Confederate flags will be pulled on horse-drawn caissons, will make its way almost five miles from Charleston's waterfront Battery to Magnolia Cemetery.
Fourteen Southern governors who were invited to the ceremony declined to attend. Most cited scheduling conflicts, but some observers say they may be wary of the political implications of attending an event with thousands of Confederate re-enactors.
About 40 relatives of Hunley crew members were in Charleston Saturday.
Emma Busbey Ditman of Silver Spring, Md., said she learned about 12 years ago that she had a relative aboard the Hunley. She is the great-grandniece of crewman Joseph Ridgaway, who was born on Maryland's Eastern Shore.
"It's been very emotional. My father died when I was a little girl and I knew almost nothing about father's family when I was a child," she said. "For me, it's finding my family."
The hand-cranked Hunley made history on Feb. 17, 1864, when it rammed a spar with a black powder charge into the Union blockade ship Housatonic.
But the sub never returned from the mission. It was found off the South Carolina coast nine years ago and was raised in 2000 and brought to a conservation lab at the old Charleston Naval Base.
The crew that will be buried Saturday was the third crew to die aboard the submarine.
The first crew drowned in the fall of 1863 when water from the wake of a passing ship flooded the sub at its mooring. A few weeks later a second crew, including designer H.L. Hunley, died during a test dive.
The crewmen to be buried Saturday will be buried next to the other crews in a plot shaded by oaks and palmettos.
Rebecca Farence of Harrisburg, Pa., said crewman Frank Collins was her great-grandfather's half cousin.
"These are just extraordinary men - brave and strong who did a marvelous thing," she said.
lbbrennan Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 10:39:06   152.163.253.4
Good morning Gregory
lbbrennan Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 10:38:56   152.163.253.4
Anybody doing a cover for HUNLEY -- this could be a great series or naval cover collectors and civil war buffs.
lbbrennan - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 10:38:19
Gregory A Mews - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 10:35:40
lbbrennan Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 09:32:03   152.163.253.4
Indian Ocean (Apr. 11, 2004) - A plane director assigned to the amphibious assault ship USS Wasp (LHD 1) signals an AV-8B Harrier pilot to move forward. The pilot and aircraft are assigned to the "Fighting Griffins" of Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron Two Six Six (HMM-266). The 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit (Special Operations Capable) and Wasp are currently on deployment as part of Expeditionary Strike Group Two (ESG 2) in the 5th Fleet Area of Responsibility (AOR).
Indian Ocean (Apr. 11, 2004) - A Marine Corps CH-46E Sea Knight from the "Fighting Griffins" of Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron Two Six Six (HMM-266) is lit by the blue lights of the flight deck of the amphibious assault ship USS Wasp (LHD 1). The 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit (Special Operations Capable) and Wasp are currently on deployment as part of Expeditionary Strike Group Two (ESG 2). for aviation and amphib collectors, a little more detail about deployed units.
lbbrennan - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 09:30:15
lbbrennan Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 09:28:37   152.163.253.4
Let's see if I can paste two tidbits of current status from navy.mil photo section [without the photos, of course].Yokosuka, Japan (Apr. 12, 2004) - Small barges maneuver the 7th Fleet command and control ship USS Blue Ridge (LCC 19) into a Naval Ship Repair Facility dry dock. Blue Ridge is scheduled to undergo an extensive dry dock maintenance period for several months. Blue Ridge is forward deployed to Yokosuka, Japan. 7th Fleet command ship duties have been temporarily transferred to USS Coronado (AGF 11) which deployed from its homeport of San Diego, Calif., earlier in the year.
Souda Bay, Crete, Greece (Apr. 12, 2004) - The Los Angeles-class attack submarine USS Dallas (SSN 700) receives cargo during a brief port visit to Souda Bay. Commissioned in 1981, Dallas is the first Los Angeles-class submarine to have a Dry Deck Shelter (DDS). Dry Deck Shelters provide specially configured nuclear powered submarines with a greater capability of deploying Special Operations Forces (SOF). DDSs can transport, deploy, and recover SOF teams from Combat Rubber Raiding Crafts (CRRCs) or SEAL Delivery Vehicles (SDVs), all while remaining submerged. In an era of littoral warfare, this capability substantially enhances the combat flexibility of both the submarine and SOF personnel.
The current photos are good news sources for deployed ships.
lbbrennan - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 09:26:39
lbbrennan Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 09:13:16   152.163.253.4
john young is showing his detective skills again. It's getting warm and things should improve in the Bronx soon, hopefully it will begin today in Boston. It's the start of little league season so I'm off with my younger daughter to the first game of the season.Jake/Dave, Could Camp Dewey be related to something like NJROTC or Sea Scouts?
Interesing note in the NY Council World Ship Society about the recent find of postcards in the wreck of the WWI German cruiser Karlshure.
I had a bit of fun last night appearing on the Abrams Report to discuss the status of the Soldier being held hostage in Iraq. It was interesting how the whole thing was set up in less than an hour from when I first received the producer's call to air time. Let's hope and pray that this has a good ending for all the MIAs.
lbbrennan - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 09:07:33
Roger Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 08:18:42   206.82.68.22
Hi Guys:
Got some USS HONOLULU and USS HOUSTON covers back yesterday with OSC/CC/and C.O. Autographs on the back.
Roger - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 08:16:50
john young Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 08:08:56   68.193.176.238
Steve Shay: Interesting that the cover
has 3 cents Maryland stamp that had its
first day of issue on March 23, 1934.
The cover was canceled two weeks later!
Just a guess! Probably a sailor sending
a cover to someone that was interested
in stamp collecting (maybe a kid living
on the Jersey shore???),he included a
20 cents Canal Zone airmail stamp.
john young Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 07:48:50   68.193.176.238
Steve Shay: Great VEGA cover!
She was probably going to maneuvers
(Fleet Problem XV)in Caribbean. The
rest of the U.S. Fleet left 4/9/34 on
their East Coast cruise. After the
maneuvers, the Fleet Reveiw in New York
on 5/31/34. VEGA not listed as being in
the Reveiw.
john young - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 07:35:17
Dan - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 06:37:20
Roger Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 06:28:08   206.82.68.22
Jake:
What are you looking for in the way of aircraft carriers?? Email me at mermaids@alltel.net
Roger - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 06:25:18
g. - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 04:40:16
Jake - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 03:37:32
volker - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 00:57:26
Earle Long - Saturday, April 17, 2004 at 00:25:19
dcampbell - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 23:36:07
Ed 10975 - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 23:23:29
Mike Kaup - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 23:22:19
Stewart B. Milstein - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 22:38:39
john burke - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 22:18:04
mike meister - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 22:16:11
Duane Wilson - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 22:13:16
Dave Kent Friday, April 16, 2004 at 21:27:10   68.9.249.233
Jake: never heard of a Camp Dewey or a Junior Naval Reserve unit in New London. What time frame? I don't think there's anything like that now.
Dave Kent - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 21:19:42
Jim Woodley - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 21:16:10
e sink - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 20:40:28
Thad - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 20:33:03
Dan - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 20:00:35
Jake Friday, April 16, 2004 at 19:07:32   24.60.222.172
Thanks Stewart
Have a safe trip back east
Stewart B. Milstein Friday, April 16, 2004 at 19:03:35   12.72.120.7
Be back later. Take care of yourself.
Stewart B. Milstein Friday, April 16, 2004 at 19:02:52   12.72.120.7
Right now I am getting things ready to go back to Brooklyn. We will be leaving on the 28th of April. Perhaps when I get back to Brooklyn someone will have sent something to me by that time.
Stewart B. Milstein Friday, April 16, 2004 at 19:01:23   12.72.120.7
Jake - no pressure at all. No circuit either. If people do not send me circuits, I cannot send anything out. Right now I have NOTHING waiting to go.
Jake Friday, April 16, 2004 at 18:59:46   24.60.222.172
Stewart,
Not to put any pressure on you, but will there be a mail circut of AirCraft Carriers coming around soon??
Stewart B. Milstein Friday, April 16, 2004 at 18:57:24   12.72.120.7
Dave Kent's request for strange postmarks is very interesting in light of how few covers seem to be coming back to me.
Jake Friday, April 16, 2004 at 18:57:00   24.60.222.172
Hi Stewart
Jake Friday, April 16, 2004 at 18:56:42   24.60.222.172
Dave Kent, or anyone else that may know the New London area.
Do you know of a Camp Dewey, New London Junior Naval Reserve Yard?
Is it still in operation, if not when did it close down?
Are Stamps from this Camp very common?
Stewart B. Milstein Friday, April 16, 2004 at 18:55:22   12.72.120.7
Hi Gentlemen.
Stewart B. Milstein - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 18:54:03
Jake Friday, April 16, 2004 at 18:48:42   24.60.222.172
Hi RichardThanks Mate for a GREAT LOG
Jake Friday, April 16, 2004 at 18:48:06   24.60.222.172
A Very Good Day To ALL !!!
Richard Jones 3933 - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 18:47:57
Jake - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 18:47:40
Ed 10975 - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 18:28:00
Roger - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 18:13:42
john young - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 17:31:14
Dan - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 17:03:56
lbbrennan - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 16:35:18
Joe - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 16:30:43
Dan - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 15:21:12
lbbrennan - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 14:03:50
Duane Wilson - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 13:42:55
joe lewis - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 13:31:31
Dave Kent Friday, April 16, 2004 at 13:13:28   68.9.249.233
Hi, Tom! Neopost is the name of a postage meter company -- used to be Friden. 06349 is the ZIP Code of the Groton Submarine Base. Virtually all postage meters today are computerized to some degree, so the impressions don't look like the old fashioned meters did. There is no "penalty" mail any more, and all government agencies must pay postage like anyone else. His letter was obviously mailed through one of the support offices at the base. Many agencies find that using meters is easier than keeping track of stamps.
Dave Kent - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 13:07:34
Tom Maty Friday, April 16, 2004 at 12:50:59   152.163.253.4
Some thing interestng Asked for the Capt of Memphis 691 for an autograph. He enclosed in sort of a monarch return envelope which was cancelled in red. Left side abour an inch square with squiggle. Toward the top NEOPOST $0.37
Apr 13 2004 US POSTAGE FIRST CLASS MAILED FROM 06349 048J0085001882
I think it was sort of a metered cancel
Any comment?
Left side was a return printed return address with the subs COMMANDING OFFICER and USS MEMPHIS
ETC.
Tom Maty - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 12:44:14
Thad - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 12:33:49
mike meister - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 12:28:27
Dan - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 11:12:27
Jim McDevitt Friday, April 16, 2004 at 10:22:44   209.86.86.94
John Young - happy you can use STORIS cover. I thought it strange it was unaddressed. Also, didn't fit my exhibit which will be eight frames for Sacramento.
Jim McDevitt - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 10:19:07
Stewart B. Milstein - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 10:13:18
john beirne - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 09:54:06
e sink - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 09:20:58
SteveS - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 08:44:41
rich nallenweg - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 07:27:05
room - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 06:46:52
Roger - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 06:36:41
john young - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 06:22:02
Dan - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 05:58:41
dcampbell - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 00:02:31
Volker - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 23:53:22
Robert Jank - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 23:48:33
mike meister - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 23:47:30
e sink - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 23:32:07
Chuck French L2603 - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 23:15:14
Tjossem - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 23:09:29
Stewart B. Milstein - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 22:33:18
Thad - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 21:52:34
Jake - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 21:44:21
Thad - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 21:37:34
Mike Kaup - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 21:15:08
Dan - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 21:09:10
Ed 10975 - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 20:20:03
Dave Kent Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 19:33:08   68.9.249.233
If anyone gets unusual postmarks from ships please send me a copy. I don't have the time to send for them myself, and since C.B. Hall died I have a hard time finding out about new cancels on ships. Everything goes into the archive for the next edition of the Catalog.
Dave Kent - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 19:30:07
mike meister - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 19:28:53
Ed 10975 Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 18:48:24   12.76.165.173
Just signed up for the Navy League convention in June in San Diego - my favorite city and the main reason. Trip includes a sub tour out at Point Loma. I assume it will be a Los Angeles class SSN but I saw an Ohio class SSBN there a few years ago. Doesn't really matter as I've been aboard both in the past. Third convention for me. Missed the one here in Boston because I couldn't get time off from work!
Ed 10975 - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 18:33:41
john young - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 17:21:04
Dan - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 15:05:41
mike meister - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 15:01:08
lbbrennan Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 14:50:21   205.188.116.206
Stewart, Welcome back to the mainland. Glad you got to see the sites, even the rare, underway ones.
lbbrennan - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 14:49:04
drew - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:45:49
john burke Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:21:14   207.54.169.205
I think launhing and commissioning, but no holidays. I will have to take a closer look at them this evening from home.
john young Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:20:31   152.163.253.4
Ahoy guys! Got to go the grandkids
are here.
mike meister Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:19:34   205.188.116.206
Got a couple of covers today from VF 11. The cancels are fairly light but appear to be new. Type 11 with USS WASHINGTON CVN73 FPOAE at the top no() and 09550-2873 at the bottom. Postmarked on 4/3.
john burke Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:19:01   207.54.169.205
My grandfather was also John Burke. Some have no postage stamp and cancellation, but others have the cancellations directly from the ships it is my understanding that my grandfather designed many of the cachets.
john young Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:18:58   152.163.253.4
John Burke: Another question! What
ships? Do they commemorate any event?
Launching, Commisssioning or holidays!
Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:18:33   12.72.120.91
Good morning Mr. Young. HI was wonderful and we made sure that we went to both the AZ and MO. On the way in to Oahu I saw a USN nuke sub riding the surface in-bound to Pearl. An impressive sight.
Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:17:00   12.72.120.91
Reeading all the back postings as I am just back from Hawaii.
john young Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:12:20   152.163.253.4
Hi Stewart: Guess you're back from
the islands!
john young Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:11:23   152.163.253.4
John Burke: Who was your grandfather?
I assume that they are hand-drawn covers
without postage stamp or cancellation!
john young - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:09:16
john burke Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:06:42   207.54.169.205
Some are in their Original form having never been through the mail.
john burke - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:05:58
Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:04:36   12.72.120.91
Good morning. gentlemen.
Stewart B. Milstein - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:03:55
john young Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:03:11   68.193.176.238
John Burke: What do you mean by
not stamped?
mike meister - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:01:14
john young Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:00:56   68.193.176.238
Jim McDevitt: Thanks for the STORIS
cover. A real gem!
Coast Guard News: HEALY will depart on
Arctic West Operation 2004, later this
month. Word has it that she has post office
aboard. Her mailing address: USCGC HEALY
(WAGB 20) FPO AP 96667-3918
John Burke Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 13:00:37   207.54.169.205
I have a collection of naval covers that were designed by my Grandfather in the 30s and 40 when he worked for the Naval department. Many of them are one of a kind. Some were never stamped. I do not know how to value them or what type of expert to take them to. I live in Cleveland Ohio. Any thoughts?
John Burke - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 12:56:33
john young - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 12:52:25
Jim Klinger - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 12:49:48
Thad - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 12:35:55
Dave Kent Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 12:29:58   68.9.249.233
I agree with Larry. I don't care who applies the postmarks, as long as there are still post offices on ships.
Dave Kent - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 12:22:35
Dan - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 11:39:23
lbbrennan Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 10:49:19   205.188.116.206
pleanty of time to browse the web as the printer runs off all the tax returns. Already bought the priority mail stamps and envelopes. It's just a few more things and 2003 is finally history.
lbbrennan Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 10:48:13   205.188.116.206
Navy to Christen New Guided-Missile Destroyer Nitze The newest Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer, Nitze will be christened on Saturday, April 17, 2004, during a 1 p.m. EDT ceremony at Bath Iron Works, Bath, Maine.
Sen. Susan M. Collins of Maine will deliver the ceremony’s principal address. Leezee Porter will serve as sponsor of the ship named for her husband. In the time-honored Navy tradition, she will break the bottle of champagne across the bow to formally christen Nitze.
The ship’s name honors Paul H. Nitze, whose distinguished government career included serving as the 57th secretary of the Navy from 1963 to 1967. Secretary of the Navy Gordon R. England said, "Paul Nitze is a great American patriot.
Throughout a lifetime of service he has been a trusted advisor to our country's presidents and other leaders. Ambassador Nitze stood the watch and bravely defied the fascists and communists who threatened freedom during World War II and the Cold War. His contributions to the Navy and our nation are many and we are honored to
have this fine ship bear his name."
As the Navy secretary, Nitze raised the level of attention given to quality of service issues. His many achievements included establishing the first personnel policy board and retention task force obtaining targeted personnel bonuses, and
raising command responsibility pay. Nitze also became a strong advocate for officers' advanced education opportunities and worked to enhance greater integration of senior Navy staff by moving the chief of naval operations' office
next to his own.
Born in Amherst, Mass., on Jan. 16, 1907, Nitze graduated "cum laude" from Harvard University in 1928. After working in investment banking where he was known as a Wall Street prodigy, he left that industry in 1941 to enter government service. During the period 1944-1946, Nitze served as director and then as vice
chairman of the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey for which President Truman awarded him the Medal of Merit.
From 1953 to 1961, Nitze served as president of the Foreign Service Educational Foundation while concurrently serving as associate of the Washington Center of Foreign Policy Research, the School of Advanced International Studies of Johns Hopkins University. In 1961 President Kennedy appointed Nitze assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs and in 1963 he became the secretary of the Navy, serving until 1967.
Following his term as secretary of the Navy, he served as deputy secretary of defense (1967-1969), as a member of the U.S. delegation to the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (SALT) (1969-1973), and assistant secretary of defense for
international affairs (1973-1976). He was President Reagan's chief negotiator of
the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (1981-1984). In 1984, Nitze was named
special advisor to the president and secretary of state on arms control. For more than forty years, Nitze was one of the chief architects of U.S. policy toward the Soviet Union. President Reagan awarded Nitze the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1985 for his contributions to the freedom and security of the United States.
Nitze, designated DDG 94, is the 44th ship of 62 Arleigh Burke class destroyers currently authorized by Congress. This highly capable multi-mission ship can conduct a variety of operations, from peacetime presence and crisis
management to sea control and power projection, in support of the National Military Strategy. Nitze will be capable of fighting air, surface, and subsurface battles simultaneously. The ship contains myriad offensive and defensive weapons designed to support maritime defense needs well into the 21st century.
Cdr. Michael Hegarty of Oklahoma will become the first commanding officer of the
ship with a crew of approximately 32 officers and 348 enlisted. Bath Iron Works is
building the 9,200-ton Nitze, which is 511 feet in length, with an overall beam of
66 feet, and a navigational draft of 33 feet. Four gas turbine engines will power
the ship to speeds in excess of 30 knots.
lbbrennan - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 10:45:40
room - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 10:39:53
Ned Harris - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 10:37:32
john beirne - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 09:43:56
lbbrennan Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 09:35:11   64.12.116.206
Steve S, I am probably the most over paid, reasonably competent Yeoman in the Navy. I do nearly all of my own typing, have done so for nearly 20 years since the advent of computers. The days of having 6 legalmen and strikers, like I did as a LT, are over. Manpower is the key economic cost of the Navy and anything that can be done to reduce a body here and there has more impact because it also cuts the supply train. It takes a lot of people and $ to support someone in a combatant vessel.Ed and Dave, I agree that there is confusion about the value of making PCs supply ratings or vice versa. It probably has more to do with number of overall billets and the power of the folks managing the program. On the reserve side a whole program, the Naval Control of Shipping Units, were closed because they didn't have a strong flag sponsor. This was a program designed for merchant marine officers, graduates of Kings Point and the state maritime schools. No mission no support no future.
I remember going nearly a month without mail on board ship as we sailed around Africa. It's arrival was welcomed by all hands, and a dramatic prayer by our senior chaplain. On the otherhand, it was a quiet 20+ days at sea for the PCs. People still bought stamps, money orders and put main in the system but there was not much else to do. When the mail finally arrived by COD there were lots of helpers from the different departments to expedite delivery of the stale mail. Let's hope that they keep the postmarks; it really doesn't matter if the sailor is a rated PC or not as long as he/she is cooperative.
lbbrennan - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 09:27:21
SteveS Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 08:53:15   65.213.44.9
Larry, your point about multitasking is right on target. That's my take on the issue too. It has been happening in business for years, and continues to happen today. Folks today wear many hats, do many tasks and don't specialize in one dedicated function. Those that can, survive, those that can't are the ones in the lay offs. I'm sure there will be a sailor passing out mail with one hand and ammunition with the other.
SteveS - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 08:44:55
john young - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 07:45:37
Roger - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 07:11:15
Dan - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 06:17:17
Richard Jones 3933 - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 01:55:12
Ed 10975 Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 00:56:06   12.76.165.180
Dave - I got the impression just the opposite from your thoughts in the Navy Times article in that they think the best idea is to keep the PC's and have them assist the storekeepers.
Ed 10975 - Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 00:41:42
dcampbell - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 23:29:16
guest - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 23:06:25
lbbrennan Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 22:46:18   152.163.253.4
I guess our discussion about the eliminiation of PCs on surface ships is really a question of multitasking. The PC rate is not going away, since they'll remain ashore, for the time being, and in the big deck surface ships. The issue is that the primary mission of the PC is viewed as limited, particularly on ships with smaller crews. The ability of a sailor to serve on a damage control or fire fighting party is not related to his/her rating. This move has to do with measurements of cost/benefit of full time PCs on ships with crews of a few hundred sailors. Also, keep in mind that the old deployment rotation is a thing of the past, for the time being, so ships will be in port longer [sure, he said] and thus will have access to shore postal facilities. Remember they just did away with the Signalman Rating. It's hard to fathom a navy without skivvie wavers but there is a lot of change, and a lot more coming as we enter a totally new way of doing business. We just have to be more imaginative in our collecting interests.
lbbrennan Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 22:41:01   152.163.253.4
A little triva, a lot more fun than finishing taxes.Keel hauling
A naval punishment on board ships said to have originated with the Dutch but adopted by other navies during the 15th and 16th centuries. A rope was rigged from yardarm to yardarm, passing under the bottom of the ship, and the unfortunate delinquent secured to it, sometimes with lead or iron weights attached to his legs. He was hoisted up to one yardarm and then dropped suddenly into the sea, hauled underneath the ship, and hoisted up to the opposite yardarm, the punishment being repeated after he had had time to recover his breath. While he was under water, a "great gun" was fired, "which is done as well to astonish him so much the more with the thunder of the shot, as to give warning until all others of the fleet to look out and be wary by his harms" (from Nathaniel Boteler, A Dialogicall Discourse, 1634). The U.S. Navy never practiced keel hauling.
Mike, Good evening.
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 22:40:32
Mike Kaup Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 22:35:05   67.5.115.162
Good evening Gents!
Mike Kaup - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 22:34:48
lbbrennan Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 22:34:11   152.163.253.4
I haven't seen a posting about the offical on-line DANFS from Navy History so here it is, about 2.5 months behind its posting. A great resource for all.Acknowledgements
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Although digital versions of DANFS entries have been available on non-government websites for some time, the Online DANFS Project makes the official version of all 10,000+ entries available for the first time. Initially, the online histories are simply reproductions of the original published material. Since many of these entries are incomplete or out-of-date, the Online DANFS Project continues as historians of the Ships History Branch update these histories and add new material. Priority is being given to completing entries for Volume IB, updating histories for ships currently in commission, and finishing histories of ships that were still serving at the time their entry was originally published. Other entries will be revised to correct errors and improve the overall quality of the series.
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lbbrennan Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 22:31:55   152.163.253.4
April 14
1898 - Commissioning of first Post Civil War hospital ship, USS Solace.
1969 - VQ-1 aircraft shot down by N. Korean aircraft over Sea of Japan.
1988 - USS Samuel B. Roberts struck Iranian mine.
lbbrennan Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 22:31:46   152.163.253.4
A little note from Navy History about 14APR, a fairly bloody day in Naval History during the past 35 years, the sequel to PUEBLO and then the mining damage to Samuel B. Roberts during the Tanker war.
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 22:30:34
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 21:00:13
Tjossem - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 20:40:35
Dave Kent Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 20:26:45   68.9.249.233
When I was in Thailand in the Air Force, 1966, we didn't have our own post office, although we did have a unique APO number. We had about 110 men at the base, and the orderly room clerk handled the mail. He didn't sell stamps, but the First Sargeant always had some for sale (no free mail for us). A roving mail clerk came from Bangkok once a month to sell stamps and money orders, and handle packages. It worked.
Dave Kent Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 20:23:58   68.9.249.233
From a taxpayer's point of view (don't we all see it that way today), having a Postal Clerk on a small ship at sea seems like a waste of money. If you have a storekeeper running the ship's store a few hours each day while underway, why not have him sell stamps and postmark letters while he's at it? You can set up a bank of post office boxes for the crew's mail that he can fill whenever the mail comes in, otherwise he works in supply doing other tasks.
Dave Kent - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 20:16:52
Dan - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 19:52:56
e sink Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 19:32:31   68.54.185.158
Thanks for the RP info, Larry and Jake
mike meister Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 19:30:25   64.12.116.206
Covers received today from WASP with nice cancels. PM'd 3/17.
e sink - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 19:28:33
john young Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 19:19:55   68.193.176.238
Some sailors were mail clerks aboard
several ships. Case in point, Dean Dunn
Yeo 1/c was mail clerk aboard USS DOLPHIN
(1932), then went aboard Receiving Ship
@ Brooklyn (SEATTLE) 1933-35
He even sponsored cachets. Recently found
two covers that have similar writing on
reverse! Anyone ever hear of Hobby Cover
Service, 86-24 106th St. Richmond Hill
(Queens) New York. It was found on Fleet
Reveiw 1934, posted aboard USS LOUISVILLE
on 31 MAY 1934. The cachet a lifering with
wroding THE FLEET'S IN (top) date & NY, NY
bottom. Inside ring is battleship
mike meister - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 19:12:45
john young Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 19:08:02   68.193.176.238
Anyone interested in mail clerks aboard
destroyers (1932). Send me a email and I will
forward to you, via email attachment.
john young Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 19:02:01   68.193.176.238
Mail clerks: Just finished two exhibits, one
on INDIANAPOLIS (AMERICOVER '04) where BM 2/c Lawrence Iverson was mail clerk and made a honorary member of USCS #54.
The other exhibit (NAPEX '04) on BEAR (AG 29)
had Joseph W. Wallace, GM 1/c as mail clerk
(1939-42).
Iverson was listed in USCS annual reports
as being aboard "Hoosier Ship" until 1940.
Recently put together listing of mail clerks
aboard destroyers (1932) and they were of
various ratings.
As a added point of information post office
aboard USS ATKA (AGB 3) were only open during
specific hours:
Stamps: Mon- Wed- Fri (Underway) 0830- 1000 Hrs
Sat (underway) 0830- 0900 Hrs
Mon to Fri (Boston) 1400- 1500 Hrs
Money Orders:
payday & first day 0830- 1030 Hrs
after (underway)
(Boston) 1300- 1500 Hrs Every Wed (underway) 0830- 1000 Hrs
dated 16 SEP 1959
lbbrennan Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 18:59:21   152.163.253.4
RP is Religious Program Specialist [aka Chaplain's Assistant]. Recently, one RP was awarded the Bronze Star for protecting the life of his Chaplain, a Rabbi, in Iraq. It's a rating that has been around for only 20 years or so. Probably they were YNs before. I remember we had a bunch of Chaplains' Assistants on board ship but can't remember their ratings. Must have avoided the brig.
Trying to survive the last minute tax crunch, never my favorite hobby. Don't know how I could survive without Turbo Tax.
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 18:56:24
Jake Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 18:45:59   24.60.222.172
ooops there is the dinner bell
Jake Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 18:45:39   24.60.222.172
Hi John
Jake Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 18:45:11   24.60.222.172
Elgin This maybe it for RP rating Under Specialist
Sp(Q)(RP) - Registered Publications Clerk
john young - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 18:32:21
Jake Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 18:17:47   24.60.222.172
A Very Good Evening To All !!
Jake - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 18:17:15
e sink Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 18:16:07   68.54.185.158
Thad:
FYI I have a FREE frank from MOBILE BAY dated 9/14/02 with return address from an "RP2" so perhaps they were starting that far back without PC's...Not having been in the Navy, what is an "RP2"?
Roger Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 18:08:33   206.82.71.163
Dave Kent:
EXCELLENT POINT!!!and look at all the great cancels we got during the days before Postal Clerks. The were just called Navy Mail Clerks in those days and could literally be of any rating. Personally, I think who ever cancels mail on ships, we will have no problems getting covers done.
There was a Storeskeeper on the USS CHARLESTON in 1939 named Gene Albright. He cancelled literally thousands of covers for the First Day Of Issue for the US #856 stamp commemorating the Panama Canal on 8/15/39, with a hand stamp, and did countless other covers for USCS members and cover sponsors during his duty on that boat. Jimmy Allen on the USS WHIPPOORWILL in 1937 was not a PC and he cancelled hundreds of covers for USCS members and cachet sponors. There was Rufus Faulkner on the USS MISSISSIPPI in the mid 1930's who also was not a PC, and Jimmy Smith(Yoeman) on the USS CACHALOT in the mid 1930's, and let's not foget E.O.Tauer on the USS TEXAS. There are plenty of exampes like these. If they could do it, than non_PCs on modern boats can as well.
e sink - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 17:53:14
Roger - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 17:47:50
Ned Harris - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 17:34:47
USS BRIDGEPORT - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 16:55:25
Dan - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 16:44:58
Joe - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 16:05:46
mike meister - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 15:56:07
lbbrennan Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 15:53:22   152.163.253.4
Dave, That is how I read the Navy Times article in the edition I received yesterday. Has anyone spoken with the author. He might have some information and also might be interested in what the USCS has to say. We all are strong supporters of postal clerks and would hate to see the rating go away but I am afraid that the folks in the Pentagon made that decision, as they have with many other ratings. That does not necessarily mean that ship's post offices are going to disappear.
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 15:50:58
Dave Kent Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 15:38:08   68.9.249.233
Prior to WW II there was no special rating of Postal Clerk. It was an additional duty for someone in another specialty. Although most were yeomen or storekeepers, there were exceptions -- Charlie Cerrinack in USS ARGONAUT was a gunner's mate. Might they keep post offices on ships but assign someone other than a PC to handle them, even part time?
Dave Kent - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 15:26:50
Thad - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 14:50:32
lbbrennan Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 14:48:29   205.188.116.206
Roger, Sorry my point was not clearer. The issue at OPNAV is to reduce the number of supporting personnel, and to outsource those jobs, if they do not result in direct combat capability. I don't question the dedication of Postal Clerks, RPs, YNs, LNs and even JAGs on board ship. The most heroic act I have ever witnessed, in the wake of NIMITZ's flight deck fire, was by a Chaplain and Dentist who had to identify the burned remains. Premediated heroism is something special. I served with fellows who were POWs for 7 + years in Hanoi and some pretty tough old aviators. Fighting fires and dropping ordance take courage. That, unfortunately is not the issue. The folks who are managing Navy are using a business model and since the product is putting ordance on target that is the metric they will use. If we can reduce mess cooks that is a savings. It ultimately will dig into the muscle of the crew in places like DC. The tail of the Navy, like the tail of the Army is a tempting target for the Defense Department and bean counters. In the high tech world personnel costs are about all that can be cut or "managed" as they prefer.
drew - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 14:44:54
lbbrennan Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 14:40:45   205.188.116.206
The Navy Times article about removal of PCs from surface ships implies that it may not be as omnious as we fear. There will be postal petty officers, ie navy mail clerks. It seems to be a rate disestablishment issue and merger of some of the ratings within the Supply Corps empire. Perhaps they will still has postmarks and we can always donate cachets as we have done often, particularly with Subs and other small ships that done have PCs. Certainly, this is not good news for collectors; maybe I'm just an optimist but we'll find a way to suvive as a hobby.
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 14:37:22
Dan - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 14:35:14
Tom Maty - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 12:08:18
LBBRENNAN - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 10:54:55
room - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 10:53:35
Thad Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 10:48:26   152.163.253.4
Dave Kent
I too get the NAVY TIMES and do not remember an article about metering machines being placed aboard Navy ships. There was an article about 9-12 months ago about the USS Mobile Bay being a "test ship" for not having a PC aboard. They mentioned stamp machines and etc, etc. but nothing about metering machines that I can recall.
Thad - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 10:32:34
room - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 10:00:33
SteveS - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 08:43:47
john beirne - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 08:40:16
john beirne - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 08:35:16
Roger Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 07:44:40   206.82.68.128
Dave Kent:
I get Navy Times, and don't recall an article about metering machines, but I will look through the back issues I have and see if I can find one. I could have missed it, as I usually only thumb throught each issue looking only at articles that I find of interest.
Roger Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 07:40:49   206.82.68.128
Hi Guys:
I use to get a list(SIMS US NAVAL SHIP BATTLE FORCES) of all ships and their homeport locations with zip codes from the US Navy Department of Informatation every six months. I just got an email from CMDR. Anthony Cooper( Asst. Chief of Information) that this list is no longer available to the public. I use to use this list to check the accuracy of the zip code list published in the LOG over the years. I always found descrepencies between the two lists and found that the Navy list was always accurate.I have aske CMDR. Cooper about this rumor about PC's being removed from the smaller ships, and have as yet not heard back from him. He has indicated that he will get back to me. I will post his answer when I get it.
I called a friend of mine, who's son is a PC2 on a destroyer in Mayport, and he tells me his son will look into this as well, but at this time his son has not "officially" heard this information, nor has any of his fellow PC's on other ships in Mayport heard of this.
Roger - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 07:22:07
rich nallenweg - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 06:36:40
Dan - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 06:11:58
guest - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 02:14:59
d. - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 01:03:03
Ed 10975 Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 00:13:47   12.76.162.228
Superannuated? I didn't look it up but does that mean 'at retirement age'?
Ed 10975 - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 00:02:27
Robert Jank - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 23:33:50
Mike - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 23:23:36
dcampbell - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 23:11:48
Jim McDevitt - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 22:29:40
Mike Kaup - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 22:24:22
mike meister - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 21:56:14
e sink - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 21:33:07
Dan - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 21:30:47
Ned Harris - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 20:09:06
Thad - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 20:00:31
mike meister - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 19:37:46
Dave Kent Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 19:14:25   68.109.118.88
A while ago someone posted a note that an "article" in Navy Times said the Navy was putting "cancelling machines" on ships to postmark absentee ballots. I've repeated this to several people and have been challenged about it. I looked in the Navy Times online archive and the article isn't there. Can anyone find the article again? I need to know the exact issue it was in, by date, the page number, and the exact wording of the article.
Dave Kent - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 19:10:43
SteveS - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 18:24:33
Jake Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 17:51:34   24.60.222.172
Roger
Hear you about the PCs at Battlestations, had a PC on the Fog Foam Generator with me at GQ
Roger Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 17:48:27   206.82.71.159
Larry Brennan:
PCs also can't walk on water,..it doesn't make them any less a vital part of ship's compliment. There was a PC on the USS FORRESTAL who saved lives during our fire and fouhgt fires for hours wthout sleep... I know this because I was right next to him! So, lets don't deminish the contributions PCs make to our ship's companies above and beyond slamming ink on envelopes.
Jake Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 17:44:03   24.60.222.172
Roger
You've dealt with GSCC, does Dave have some extra help working for him now??? Can't get replies to my e-mails to him, just the can stuff when I winn an auction of his??
Jake Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 17:42:07   24.60.222.172
Hi Roger
Jake Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 17:41:52   24.60.222.172
A Very Good Day To All !!
Roger - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 17:37:49
Jake - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 17:36:52
Richard Jones 3933 - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 15:53:09
Dan - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 15:36:47
SteveS Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 15:14:46   65.213.44.9
Larry, I'm sure you are right about postal clerks. I had to look up superannuated to remember what it meant. I'm sure there's still a need for you!
drew - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 15:08:07
SteveS - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 15:07:47
mike meister - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 14:19:50
lbbrennan Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 14:01:09   38.117.188.10
I am reading the Naval War College's new book, the autobiography of Admiral Hewitt and he raved about the incoming mail service to the Great White Fleet as it neared Europe in 1909. Must have been the result of those Type 1 postmarks.Perhaps the system will revert to the old style and the navy will designate mail clerks who have different ratings. The mail still has to move and someone will have to cancel it. Only the question of bonds and items like money orders and registered mail could stop this.
drew - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 13:13:27
Thad - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 13:03:37
USS BRIDGEPORT - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 13:03:36
Dave Kent Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 12:56:55   68.109.118.88
Drop by the MPSA website some time. You can click on a button to see a "flash slide show" on the history of military mail systems. It will tell you that the first military post offices were established in 1941 (referring to the APOs at the British bases we got for the Famous Fifty destroyers). No mention whatsoever of the Navy's mail system, which dates to 1908!
Dave Kent Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 12:52:17   68.109.118.88
I like to point out that the Military Postal Service Agency, although designated a "joint" agency, is actually run by the Army. I published a letter in the Military Postal History Society Bulletin from an Air Force officer in Iraq saying that their mail was coming through fine, but as usual the Army's mail was all screwed up.
Dave Kent - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 12:49:20
mike meister Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 12:45:56   64.12.116.206
Ther is an article in todays Columbus Dispatch by Robert Novak with the header US Military's failure to get mail to troops is appalling. He states that Edward A> Pardni the career deputy director of the Military Postal Service Agancy thinks nothing is wrong with the system.
mike meister - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 12:33:12
lbbrennan Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 12:27:57   38.117.188.10
Guys,Postal clerks unfortunately do not help put ordanace on target.
For that matter nor do superannuated JAGs.
lbbrennan - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 12:25:30
Dan - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 12:18:08
Thad - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 11:28:05
Thad - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 09:37:34
room - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 09:18:17
Jim Woodley - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 09:03:21
john young Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 08:54:34   68.193.176.238
Ned Harris: Received your donation for
auction. Great Gow Nig USS Triton (SS 201)
FDPS 15 AUG 1940
Also received a selection of covers from
John L. Johnson that includes naval cancels
(1941) from ships at Pearl Harbor.
Just a tease of what will be at USCS auction
in Indianapolis in August.
SteveS - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 08:50:34
john young - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 08:14:31
Roger Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 08:05:18   206.82.71.36
Another way to look at this recent PC thing is that it makes the modern covers we all have from destroyers, cruisers, and frigates, etc. more valuable now. It also makes covers with non-pictorial cancels more desireable. Now would be the time to rush off covers to these soon to be PC-less ships before they exit the boats. As I understand the situation,removing the PCs from these ship types has been in the works for more than six years, which exonerates the "present administration" from being blamed for its "inception" at least.
Roger - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 07:55:11
Roger Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 07:05:48   206.82.71.36
This PC thing is just another example of the downsizing that has been going on now for years. We can't blame "the present administration" as has been suggested by some. I agree with Dave Kent...it's a generational gap! AND,politicians from BOTH parties have would rather have $$ spent on their favorite "pork barrel" projects, that we never hear about nor do we need.
Is this PC thing going to hurt our hobby? Of course it will. But, our hobby has been slowley dwindling for a couple of decades.
Roger - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 06:50:49
Dan - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 06:32:05
g. - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 02:18:18
Tjossem - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 01:06:58
Mark Allen -Visitor - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 01:00:27
Jake - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 00:05:02
Robert Jank - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 23:47:20
les - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 23:34:00
dcampbell - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 23:11:50
mike meister - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 23:11:30
Mike - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 22:21:53
Mike Kaup - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 21:54:46
rich nallenweg Monday, April 12, 2004 at 21:46:27   172.150.194.106
Also received a nice letter from John Young helping me to identify some type z cancel covers I have.
Thank you very much John.
rich nallenweg Monday, April 12, 2004 at 21:45:32   172.150.194.106
Received the April 2004 at the top of my mountain home in Western NC today. Great as usual!
rich nallenweg - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 21:42:35
Dan - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 21:29:20
Dave Kent Monday, April 12, 2004 at 21:29:11   68.109.118.88
It isn't just Bush, but his entire generation that doesn't share our interest in a strong military. The vast majority of members of congress and senior government officials never served in the military. Even if Reagan were president he couldn't push a 600-ship Navy through Congress today.
Dave Kent - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 21:21:05
mike meister - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 21:20:21
Jim Klinger - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 19:55:06
Dan - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 19:29:23
mike meister - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 19:25:03
Wolfgang Hechler - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 18:49:25
Dave Kent - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 18:37:29
x - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 17:50:55
john young - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 17:46:16
Roger - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 17:12:57
lbbrennan Monday, April 12, 2004 at 16:51:47   38.117.188.10
Here is a posting from the Postal Clerk's Association website. Nothing postive here.On Thursday April 8th I received a phone call from a Navy Times reporter named Mark Faram. He stated he was looking for imput from active and retired Postal Clerks regarding the Navy's decision last month to start removing the Pc's from the Small Boys and small Shore Stations and replacing them with Yeomen or some other rating. Unfortunately, he called on the same day of his deadline! So I didn't have much time to react. I was able to contact Mike Bertalan and Abe Quinones and they were able to give the reporter some input.
Mike and Abe have since passed on to a lot of you in the Association what they said to the reporter., and quite a few of you have indicated very strongly your desire to let the reporter know your views also!
As I have stated above, his deadline was Thursday April 8th. However, I think that if enough of you do in fact contact him in the next week or two, he may decide it is worth a follow up story.
Therefore I am posting his name, Phone Number, and email address here at this time so you may contact him if you so desire!
Navy Times
Mark Faram
mfaram@navytimes.com
703-750-8645"
lbbrennan - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 16:51:07
lbbrennan Monday, April 12, 2004 at 16:46:56   38.117.188.10
Now we know how the guys felt in 1941 or so when the went to type Zs and took the postal clerks off subs.
lbbrennan - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 16:45:13
Ed 10975 - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 16:14:18
Greg Jacobs - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 16:04:39
Dan Monday, April 12, 2004 at 15:58:59   24.25.176.222
Besides, it's been too quiet lately on this chat site.
Dan Monday, April 12, 2004 at 15:57:58   24.25.176.222
I realize my previous posting is a little crude but that is exactly my sentiment.
Dan Monday, April 12, 2004 at 15:57:01   24.25.176.222
Give the present administration a few more years and our navy will be second to someone else's.
Thad - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 15:55:40
Dan - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 15:54:28
Thad - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 15:24:10
Thad Monday, April 12, 2004 at 14:07:03   205.188.116.206
Received the new NAVY TIMES in the mail today. On first page ...Sort Your Own Mail - Postal Clerks Cut From Surface Ships...pg 8. Page 8 headlines ...No More Postal Clerks On Most Ships.
reads in part....As part of the effort to reduce shipboard manning, Vice Adm. Timothy LaFleur who commands all surface forces, said in an April 6 message that postal clerks no longer will serve on cruisers, destroyers, frigates, amphibious transport docks and dock landing ships. The move will not affect PC's on aircraft carriers, amphibious assault ships and submarine tenders .... Boy, this really can hurt our hobby.
Thad - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 13:58:24
Thad - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 13:21:49
mike meister - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 12:49:50
Dan Monday, April 12, 2004 at 12:30:32   24.25.176.222
The company I retired from makes a non glare UVF sheet used particularly for picture framing. It's real good stuff, but expensive. Registered trade name is Acrylite FF. (Made by Cyro Industries)
Dan - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 12:24:59
lbbrennan Monday, April 12, 2004 at 12:23:16   38.117.188.10
Greg F, You are right about the origin but by the late 19th Century the word Admiral had been accepted in the USN although the term Flag Officer remains. We still have reserved parking spaces for "Flag Officers" and Navy Exchanges and Commissaries. In the mid 1980s at the height of the "I don't want to be a Commodore, I want to be an Admiral" crisis following the disestablishment of the USN habit of going to two stars for O7s [rear admiral lower half] we adopted the term "Commodore Admiral." Some irreverent souls, suggested that it sounded more like "Commrade Admiral," a term more frequently seen in the Soviet Navy. In any event we got to Rear Admiral Lower Half and the abbreviation RMDL that was restricted to signtures on fitness reports. Now one stars are abbreviated RMDL. That's probably more than anyone wants to know.There are some interesting articles about thermography and hand held heaters smaller than hair dryers in a magazine about rubber stamps. Seems that questions of inks and thermographs are issues for those hobbists too.
A good way to protect displayed prints and stamps under glass is to buy special glass that reduces the glare and protects somewhat. Direct sunlight is always a problem.
lbbrennan - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 12:15:55
lbbrennan - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 12:15:54
Greg Jacobs - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 12:10:39
pete - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 11:25:35
Jim Woodley - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 10:51:04
Jake Monday, April 12, 2004 at 10:38:07   24.60.222.172
A Very Good Day To ALL!!!!
Jake - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 10:37:15
room - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 10:32:06
Joe - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 10:02:29
Duane Wilson Monday, April 12, 2004 at 09:39:37   204.124.92.254
Received response from the Postmaster Abilene, KS (Eisenhower's Hometown) turning down request for 60th Anniversary D-Day postmark. No explanation, just "sorry we are unable to accommodate your request. Haven't heard back from Normandy, TN - Salt Lake City, UT - Omaha,NE - Denisen, TX (Eisnehower Birthplace).Ron - Did you ever hear from the Eisenhower, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Normandy?
Duane Wilson - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 09:29:16
drew - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 09:06:34
SteveS - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 08:45:33
john beirne - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 08:18:42
Roger - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 07:16:28
Dan - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 06:13:28
e sink - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 04:50:16
Robert Jank - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 03:52:03
Mike Kaup - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 02:21:26
Chuck French L2603 - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 02:06:46
Jake Monday, April 12, 2004 at 01:00:47   24.60.222.172
Hope everyone had a Very Happy Easter
Gregory A Mews - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 00:56:18
Jake - Monday, April 12, 2004 at 00:55:46
Jim McDevitt - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 23:48:28
dcampbell - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 23:45:14
Mike - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 22:42:06
e sink - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 22:20:17
room - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 21:29:43
greg finnegan 9677 Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 21:09:14   66.31.40.142
More re thermography: I was interested to learn from Roger's reply to Dave that one can use UV to 'cure' thermographic power. I would guess (and hope) that the exposure is short enough to Not Matter. UV light is not only the cause of fading in inks that Linn's remarks on regularly, in re stamps imagined to be color errors. It's also not good for paper itself. Putting on my librarian hat, my library (like many others) has UV-screening film on the windows to cut impact of UV--and that's to protect the outside of the books! Some libraries also put UV-screening clear tubes over the florescent tubes in the lights. Linn's also remarks from time to time on unusually high prices for mint US stamps, when the stamps are also bought by sellers of 'professional' office decor--the stamp honoring accountants is the one usually mentioned. I have to assume that those pricey, if nifty, wall hangings will fade seriously, in decades if not in years.
bill nestor - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 21:05:22
pete - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 21:02:09
greg finnegan 9677 Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 20:59:30   66.31.40.142
Thanks, too, to Dave for replying to Roger's thermograph query, in the too-long-period since I last checked in here. I will post--not tonight---a list of the several thermographed cancels I have. Both now and in the 30's, USCS has, properly, tried to ensure that Navy postal clerks get recognized--but we should remember that more than a few of them were USCS members in their own right, which certainly eased the cooperation necessary to do things like colored and thermographed postmarks.
greg finnegan 9677 Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 20:56:07   66.31.40.142
thanks, Larry, for the summary re Commodore! My recollection (from Fletcher Pratt's excellent history of the USN circa 1940) is that Congress balked at "European" titles like Admiral (which, of course, is Arabic in origin, "the Emir," via Spanish from the period Spain was occupied by the 'Moors') as inappropriate for the democratic USA. They got away with it since there weren't many multi-ship operations to command. When that changed, in the Civil War, I think the Navy had to use "Flag Officer" as title to avoid the tainted word "Admiral."
greg finnegan 9677 - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 20:36:25
Dan - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 20:30:27
mike meister - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 20:27:38
lbbrennan Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 19:01:47   64.12.116.206
A quiet Easter sunday here.
lbbrennan - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 19:01:27
Ed 10975 - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 18:32:49
Ned Harris - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 17:15:11
Dan Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 16:55:48   24.25.176.222
Happy Easter to everyone! Remember our service men and women in your prayers.
Dan - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 16:54:15
pete - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 15:05:53
Tjossem - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 15:00:38
g. - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 12:39:28
Dan - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 11:43:03
SteveS - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 11:09:13
Joe - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 11:00:38
Earle Long - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 09:31:53
john beirne - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 08:31:33
USS BRIDGEPORT - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 07:54:34
rich nallenweg - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 07:40:04
Roger - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 06:44:47
Dan - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 06:14:52
Robert Jank - Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 03:56:29
dcampbell - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 23:08:16
Tjossem - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 23:01:15
bill nestor - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 22:00:27
Dan - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 21:46:55
mike meister - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 21:43:30
Roscoe Karns - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 19:48:09
Dan - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 19:46:17
Greg Jacobs - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 19:45:31
mike meister - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 19:18:53
Cliff Meyer - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 18:46:47
Cliff Meyer - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 18:43:30
lbbrennan Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 16:36:22   68.162.20.8
A little trivia for the Easter Weekend.
CommodoreThe Dutch invented the Commodore rank about 1652 during one of their naval wars with England. They found they needed officers to command squadrons but did not want to create more Admirals, perhaps to avoid paying Admirals' salaries. A Commodore's pay was only about half that of an Admiral. The word comes from comendador, which means "having command over others" and might be of French or Spanish origin. The Dutch leader William of Orange introduced the rank to the British navy after he became King William III of England in 1689. Sometime later the British merchant marine began calling the senior officer of a merchant fleet Commodore. The Dutch also used the broad command pennant, a wide swallow-tailed pennant, that has become identified with Commodores in many navies, merchant fleets and yacht clubs.
Our Navy used Commodore as an honorary title from the Revolutionary War to the Civil War for Captains commanding two or more ships operating together or had other significant additional responsibilities.
In 1862 Commodore became an official rank and the Navy promoted 18 Captains. They wore the single star on their epaulettes. In 1866 they began wearing the two-inch stripe on their sleeve cuffs. The broad stripe was inspired by the Commodore's broad pennant and, in effect, transferred it from his ship's masthead to his sleeve, a practice also adopted by many other navies and yacht clubs.
Commodore was a command rank in our Navy from 1862 to 1899. After that it was a rank to which Captains who had served in the Civil War were retired. The rank was reestablished on 9 April 1943 for World War II service, and 147 officers held it as a temporary rank. After the war the flag rank structure reverted to its prewar form. By 1 January 1950, no commodores remained on active duty.
When the Defense Officer Personnel Management Act (DOPMA) became law in 1982, O-7 officers were designated commodore admirals. The Navy selected 38 Captains to wear the broad stripe and single star. In 1983 the Defense Authorization bill changed the title to commodore. With President Reagan's signature on the Fiscal year 1986 Defense Authorization bill, O-7 officer were again called rear admiral (lower half).
lbbrennan - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 16:35:58
lbbrennan Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 16:22:01   68.162.20.8
Wolfgang, That's an impressive project. Have you looked at the 15 volumes of Morison's History Of US Naval Operations in World War II. There is a lot of detail about ships and COs during the war. I don't think that there is a comprehensive source. It's a big project since most ships' COs transfer between 12-24 months on the average. The nuke ships might be different. But assume a fleet of 600 ships, never quite made it. In 4 years there would have been more than 1,500 COs on an average. Happy Hunting.
lbbrennan - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 16:16:15
Dan - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 16:09:38
Jim McDevitt - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 16:03:45
Roger - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 15:52:38
pete - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 14:43:06
Ed 10975 - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 14:19:47
Mike Kaup - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 14:19:33
mike meister - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 13:57:50
Joe - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 13:06:01
Dan - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 12:07:10
SteveS - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 12:02:41
Ned Harris - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 10:36:59
Thad - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 09:37:15
john young - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 08:46:04
John Beirne - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 08:00:18
Wolfgang Hechler - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 06:54:49
Dan - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 06:35:46
Roger Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 06:11:35   206.82.75.129
Morning Guys:
Got some USS TICONDEROGA covers yesterday with nicely struck killers dated 4/6/0. This was her final deployment.
Roger - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 06:05:54
g. - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 02:21:53
Jake Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 01:40:21   24.60.222.172
Mike Kaup , Thanks for asking what ship, didn't realize that I had missed putting the name in the posting.
Jake Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 01:38:12   24.60.222.172
Talk about "Senior Moments", how can someone know just from the commissioning date, what ship I was speaking of, So here is my earlier post, with ship's name.
"Has any one got some plain (no cachet) Commissioning Covers from the USS VALLEY FORGE CV45 dated 11/03/46 they would like to sell cheap?? It is for a non-profit reunion club, they will be going to a worthy cause, to be used as prizes in our Silent Auction, that we hold at every reunion."Many Thanks for your time and help in this matter. You can reach me at jake-dan@capecodmouse.com
Jake - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 01:30:23
volker - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 01:02:44
dcampbell - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 00:01:40
e sink - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 23:34:28
mike meister - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 23:16:36
Tjossem - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 23:07:08
BILL NESTOR - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 22:44:21
Dan - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 21:34:56
R.L. Larson - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 20:29:39
mike meister - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 19:37:52
Ed 10975 - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 18:54:22
Wolfgang Hechler Friday, April 09, 2004 at 18:29:45   217.82.46.69
It's me again,Wolfgang, sorry I forgot to write my e-mail address:hechler.wolfgang@t-online.de
I hope it will work.
Wolfgang Hechler Friday, April 09, 2004 at 18:26:23   217.82.46.69
I'm building up a list of all Commanding Officers with their exact dates they served aboard USN-ships. I have an excel-sheet with about 18.600 CO since 1900, most after WW II. I need help from other members: In decommissioning-booklets and change-of-command-pamphlets are usually lists with COs and their service dates. I encourage everybody to send me such lists or scans of these list.
I'm willing to answer request from USCS-members who want to know one or some COs from ships (maybe when have a autograph on a cover (date needed!) and want to know the CO's name I will try to help, when I can. PLease use e-mail and not postal-service, as I live in Germany and e-mail is much cheaper and faster and easier.
I've searched all internet homepages, so I guess you do not need to send me COs that are available on the internet. I need COs of recently decommissioned ships and older frigates and desroyers. I'm quite complete with subs and aircraft-carriers. Who wnats to help me? Try it!
Fair winds and following seas!
Wolfgang
Wolfgang Hechler - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 18:16:15
Dan - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 17:36:42
e sink - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 15:37:20
SteveS - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 15:14:00
mike meister - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 14:50:27
mike meister Friday, April 09, 2004 at 12:58:00   64.12.116.206
Covers received today from USS San Francisco with a San Diego postmarked.
mike meister - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 12:56:39
Dan Friday, April 09, 2004 at 12:41:53   24.25.176.222
No covers, no bills, no notices. If it were not for junk mail I wouldn't receive any.
Dan - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 12:40:26
guest - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 12:25:21
Ned Harris - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 11:48:52
Thad - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 11:05:44
hjwd - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 10:14:21
Jim McDevitt - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 10:11:58
Duane Wilson - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 09:57:32
john young - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 09:11:51
SteveS - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 08:42:56
drew - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 08:39:45
john beirne - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 08:33:25
john beirne - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 08:28:15
Dan - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 07:45:47
Roger - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 06:09:22
Dan - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 06:07:44
derek fox - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 02:59:23
guest - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 02:56:33
Cliff Meyer - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 02:03:33
Mike - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 01:50:52
Robert Jank - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 01:48:38
Richard Jones 3933 - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 23:35:18
dcampbell - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 23:14:30
mike meister - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 23:07:32
e sink - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 23:04:36
Karl Zurn - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 22:59:46
Mike Kaup Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 22:42:40   67.5.121.161
Hi Jake, What ship commissioned on 11/03/46?
Mike Kaup - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 22:37:28
room - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 21:47:58
Jake - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 21:44:08
Dan Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 21:04:22   24.25.176.222
John Young - Got my ASPP Ice Cap News yesterday.
Dan - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 21:02:53
mike meister - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 20:31:47
Dave Kent - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 20:15:30
rich nallenweg Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 19:49:43   172.143.14.198
Hi John Young,
Thank you for responding to my questions.
Have a happy Easter.
Rich
rich nallenweg - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 19:48:40
Ed 10975 - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 18:35:42
Jake Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 17:58:58   24.60.222.172
Speaking of the price of Covers, has any one got some plain (no cachet) Commissioning Covers 11/03/46 they would like to sell cheap?? It is for a non-profit reunion club, they will be going to a worthy cause, to be used as prizes in our Silent Auction we hold at every reunion.
Jake Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 17:50:05   24.60.222.172
Hi John
Jake Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 17:43:25   24.60.222.172
A Very Good Day To ALL !!!!
Jake - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 17:43:07
john young Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 17:39:42   68.193.176.238
The April Log arrived in lower Hudson Valley
in this afternoon's mail. Have not received
the latest issue of ASPP Ice Cap News!Rich Nallenweg: Finally sent out this after-
noon answers to your question on your type z
cancels. Sorry for the delay!
Joe - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 17:28:47
Greg Jacobs Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 17:21:34   24.2.240.126
Thermography machines are still available but the cost is high, about $2600 for a table-top model. Powder is $85 for five pounds. There was a used machine on eBay at one time for $250 but it's gone.
Greg Jacobs - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 17:20:14
john young - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 17:11:25
room - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 17:05:25
Greg Jacobs - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 16:43:23
Dan Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 16:24:16   24.25.176.222
Nice cover in today from USS Thorn for last Med Cruise (my cachet). From the clarity of the cancel, it looks like a brand new handstamp.
Dan - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 16:22:16
Griggs - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 16:04:02
mike meister - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 16:00:40
SteveS - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 14:53:38
Dan - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 14:31:36
Jim Woodley - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 14:01:20
Dave Kent Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 13:51:31   68.9.250.1
One of the reasons that most stamp shows don't charge admission is that they are run by non-profit clubs who are happy if they break even on costs. Most other hobby shows are commercial ventures and the sponsors expect to make a profit from them. There's also a long-standing custom of free admission to stamp shows, and collectors resist paying admission to the point that it's often not worth the effort to try to collect money at the door. If you are in a government facility such as a Civic Center, there is also often a rule that only center employees can sell and collect tickets, and they charge as much as $3.00 per ticket in handling fees. That forces the show sponsor to charge $5.00 or more, and when there's a free bourse at a suburban motel that weekend, the competition is too much. That's why the APS gave up charging admission long ago.
mike meister Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 13:43:21   64.12.116.206
Stamp shows are the 1 hobby show I've attended that don't charge an admission. The dealers foot the entire bill. I never have understood why that is.
Dave Kent Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 13:20:44   68.9.250.1
We do still include cheaper covers, but we've been forced to include more and more high-ticket items in an effort to boost the average per lot to over $4.00. This auction, for example, has a commissioning cover from SEAWOLF (SSN-575), a war-time cover from GAMBIER BAY, one of the jeep carriers that was sunk, and a half dozen Crosby covers. The profit the Chapter makes is used to support the Regional that we host each October. Fortunately, for the past few years we've been able to hold costs to about break-even for this event.
mike meister - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 13:15:43
Dave Kent Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 13:10:21   68.9.250.1
I just got the latest Nathan Hale Chapter mail auction ready to mail, and did the math on costs. We have to get an average of $4.00+ per lot just to break even. We've always prided ourselves in offering cheaper covers that commercial dealers can't handle, because our "labor" is donated by Chapter members. However, it's getting harder and harder to make ends meet even then.
Dave Kent - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 13:03:33
tHAD - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 12:58:45
Dan - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 11:23:19
hjwd Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 10:20:00   140.186.108.67
Just read the talk on dealer markup on covers. As a dealer I guess I should put my 5c worth into it. Dave is right; a cover bought at $1 & sold for $5 is not a $4 profit. Shows & travel have gotten expensive. The APS show is at least $900 for the booth + hotel $500 + getting there $500 + meals $400 etc. Markup on inexpensive covers (which most navals are) needs to be high because of handling costs. One can work on lower percentage with high ticket items. I get consigners who don't understand why I can't break down thier collection into $10 lots for auction. If I get a commission of $2 & change on a $10 lot in my auction, I lose money. The cost of listing the item in my auction catalog is more than twice that. Time for me to shutup.
Pogo - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 10:04:22
hjwd - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 10:02:50
Ned Harris - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 09:58:18
Duane Wilson Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 09:47:42   204.124.92.254
Good Morning guys!!
e - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 09:45:59
Duane Wilson - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 09:44:17
john beirne - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 09:37:10
SteveS - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 08:33:08
drew - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 08:22:01
Jim Woodley - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 07:40:53
Roger - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 06:40:31
Dan - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 06:16:05
guest - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 02:36:37
Tjossem - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 01:37:51
Jake Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 01:19:24   24.60.222.172
Hi Greg
Jake Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 01:19:03   24.60.222.172
April Log arrived here on the Cape today. Looks like another great issue from Richard J. and his hard working Staff THANK YOU!!
Gregory A Mews - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 01:18:03
Jake - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 01:10:54
Mike Kaup - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 01:01:14
Ed 10975 - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 23:53:59
Robert Jank - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 23:46:38
Richard Jones 3933 - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 22:59:05
e sink - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 22:23:23
Ned Harris - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 22:22:08
Dave Shaw - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 22:20:15
Jim McDevitt - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 21:30:52
mike meister - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 21:26:44
Dave Kent Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 21:17:04   68.9.250.1
Today there are probably a lot more sophisticated ways of making fine cachets than baking them in a toaster oven. Fred Karcher had Alex Hesse's old thermograph machine, so we rescued it and I gave it to Rich Hoffner. However, when Rich tried to use it smoke arose and set off the alarms. He hasn't been able to find anyone who can repair it, at least not for a reasonable price.
Dave Kent - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 21:12:54
Dan - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 20:48:50
Dan - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 20:02:38
Nick Tiberio - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 20:01:45
Bill Nestor - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 19:51:26
Greg Jacobs Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 19:22:14   24.2.240.126
Tomorrow is the 64th anniversary of what was called "The Battle of the April Storm". On 8 April 1940, during the German invasion of Norway, HMS Glowworm, a 1345 ton G-class destroyer, took on the 10,000 ton heavy cruiser Admiral Hipper. She rammed Hipper at the end and sank after causing severe damage to the German cruiser. The Hipper stayed for an hour picking up survivors.I learned about this battle by reading Larry Forrester's book, "The Battle of the April Storm".
If you can find a copy, it's a good read. And there are numerous web sites with pictures and information.
Thad - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 19:20:13
Greg Jacobs - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 19:13:54
Thad - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 19:13:48
Mike - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 19:02:03
x - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 18:37:11
Tom Maty - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 18:01:54
Roger Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 17:58:28   206.82.75.44
Dave Kent:
I knew how therm ink worked, just wondered how the PC and the cover sponsor managed to get them applied. Your explanation about Hendricks answered my question. Another case of "Kitchen Table" cancel application.
By the way Dave, there are a couple of FDOI cachet artists who put therm cachets onto old covers. But they do it via an ultraviolet oven, like silk screeners of T-shirts use, and it does no damage to the cover. Arthur Myers's wife made her FDOI cachets using this method as well, so Art tells me.
Roger - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 17:47:09
Dave Kent Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 17:08:30   68.9.250.1
If you've never seen a thermograph, it uses a very fine powder that melts under heat and then cools into a solid mass that creates the raised lines of a thermographed impression. The usual process is to sprinkle it over a freshly-printed impression while the ink is still wet so the powder will stick to it. You then run it through the thermograph machine, which is like a toaster oven with a moving belt. You don't need all this equipment, however. You can use a rubber stamp with a well-inked stamp pad and the burner on your kitchen stove -- I've done it that way. If you have a gas stove, however, you need to be really alert or you get covers with singed edges. It's not something to do with add-on cachets and valuable covers!
Dave Kent Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 16:44:32   68.9.250.1
I can't say how the thermographed cancels worked everywhere, but one story I've heard was about Royal Hendricks, who lived in Honolulu in the 1930s. He would make friends with a mail clerk on a ship in Pearl, and invite the clerk home for Sunday dinner. "Oh, by the way, bring your cancel with you." While the clerk was upstairs enjoying a home-cooked meal, Royal would be busy in his basement workshop making covers with thermographed cancels. A thermograph machine is pretty big and awkward to carry around, so I'd guess that thermographed cancels in other places were done the same way -- bring the cancel to the machine rather than the other way around.
Dave Kent - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 16:30:18
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 16:27:10
Dan Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 16:25:40   24.25.176.222
Log arrived today in So. Maine. Another outstanding issue!
Dan - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 16:24:18
Duane Wilson - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 15:41:03
volker - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 14:49:07
drew - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 13:58:17
lbbrennan Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 13:49:13   38.117.188.10
Steve, Glad you enjoyed your trip and more importantly a safe return. Catch up slowly.
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 13:47:53
Glover Huntington - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 13:29:50
Jim Woodley - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 13:06:42
mike meister - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 12:59:52
Dan - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 11:51:00
Roger Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 11:48:41   206.82.75.160
Greg Finnegan:
I lked our comments on Thermograph cancels. How in the world was that done?? I just looked through a bunch of covers and found one with a black therm cancel for the USS Hugh Purvis DD-708, dated 2.12.1946. I understand how therm ink works, but how did the PC and cover sponsor coordinate the process??
Roger - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 11:43:25
lbbrennan - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 11:00:03
hjwd - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 09:53:27
Duane Wilson - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 09:46:48
john beirne - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 08:41:07
SteveS Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 08:36:59   65.213.44.9
Larry, you are right about the jet lag. I arrived in SF at 7:30 AM, stopped by home and then went in and worked half a day hoping to tire myself out. It worked. I slept great till midnight but then lay awake will I gave up around 4. And as you say, Daylight Savings caught me too. Oh well, good business trip combined with great personal enjoyment. Now I have have a ton of things to do at work and a fair bit of USCS correspondence that piled up in the mail while away.
SteveS - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 08:32:32
Jim McDevitt - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 08:05:23
Roger Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 07:04:24   206.82.68.122
At the rate the reefs are all dying off the fishes need the ORISKANY.
Roger - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 06:58:23
Dan - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 06:46:49
Dan - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 06:09:07
e sink - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 04:46:10
Chuck French L2603 - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 01:51:24
Jake Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:43:40   24.60.222.172
Nite Mike & Ed
Time for me to call it nite as well.
God Bless
mike meister Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:17:58   64.12.116.206
Well, it's time for me to go. Be back tomorrow. Nite all.
Ed 10975 Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:17:41   12.76.166.255
Jake - I retired as a dispatcher for the Brookline Police/Fire a month ago and now work two nights a week for the Boston College Police.
Jake Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:17:12   24.60.222.172
Not to windy around here Ed, but I'm back away from the water
mike meister Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:16:53   64.12.116.206
Yep, wanted to get out and try something different. Did a couple of odd jobs for about a year. By then had a wife and 3 kids then went back as a civilian worker for DOD for 21 years. Got "right sized" back in 97 and since I had enough time for a reduced retirement they let me go.
Ed 10975 Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:15:49   12.76.166.255
5 after midnight????
Jake - I work two evening shifts a week now - so I missed the sunshine as I was in bed but I heard a lot of wind howling.
Jake Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:14:09   24.60.222.172
Mike
did you only do the one hitch??
Jake Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:13:20   24.60.222.172
gone back down here tonite, but at least it got into the high 40s today
mike meister Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:11:57   64.12.116.206
Made it to 63 here today. It's 53 now not bad for midnight.
Jake Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:07:27   24.60.222.172
Ed Could ya live with all the sunshine we had today??
mike meister Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:06:54   64.12.116.206
Yes, it was very good. We always got paid the day before the rest of the crew and head of the line at chow time. When we deployed oversea we stood watch in the radar room but until we got close to land we sat and watched each other because nothing ever showed up on the radar screen as we stayed away from the commercial shipping lanes.
Jake Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:06:53   24.60.222.172
Hi Ed
Ed 10975 - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:06:27
dcampbell - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:06:21
Jake Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 00:00:17   24.60.222.172
Mike Sounds like it was good duty
Much like I had on the VF only four of us in the shop
mike meister Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:52:43   64.12.116.206
After boot camp I went to San Diego, flunked out of EM school and went to the USS Jason on 12/7/71.I was assigned to the Main Machine shop as an unrated FN and stayed there till 1973 when I finally got to move to the Post Office. Life in a big ship was good. We had a crew of 850, not too small yet not too big. With 4 PC's we had it good.
Robert Jank - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:51:40
Robert Jank - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:48:13
mike meister Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:47:46   64.12.116.206
Yes, all 4 years except for boot camp at Great Lakes. with all of the ship decommissioning in the 70's it got pretty closed. When I made PC 2 in 1974 only 1 other person made it with me.
Jake Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:47:25   24.60.222.172
Hi TJ
Tjosem - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:44:38
Jake Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:42:53   24.60.222.172
Mike Did you spend all your time on the west coast???
Jake Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:29:45   24.60.222.172
Mike back then the rating was Teleman Mail, many advanced pretty fast when it changed to PC
Jake Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:27:19   24.60.222.172
MikeI found a couple of mates who served in port Lyautey same time I was there and did remember him and a couple of others that he served with
mike meister Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:24:17   64.12.116.206
Hi Jake. Yes, I check it out. Not bad. I had come across it before going to Norfolk in January. It had a list of people who were members then and I knew a few of the PCCM's from my time in. One was an instructor at PC "A" school when it was in San Diego and 2 were PC's aboard JASON when I knew them.
Jake Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:20:29   24.60.222.172
Hi Mike,Did you ever get my e-mail on the Mail Clerks web site???
Jake Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:19:56   24.60.222.172
Bill
Sorry stepped away from the puter for a couple of minutes, am recovering from the pneumonia pretty good. Still have the COPD but thats someting i have to live with and just learn to take it a little slower.
mike meister - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 23:18:37
greg finnegan 9677 Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:27:48   66.31.40.142
Prob'ly should e-mail Stew direct, if he's off to HI. In noting the photo of Jim McD in AM PHILATELIST, I certainly knew he was a member--indeed, he's a long-distance member of my own Old Ironsides Ch. 1. My wondering had to do with noting that a person with an unfamiliar name was posted as an applicant to APS--they have a sort of speak-now-or-hold-your-peace posting of applicants before they're approved--who listed himself as collecting naval covers.
greg finnegan 9677 Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:22:49   66.31.40.142
Another catch-up session for me. Re colored cancels, there's another variant: thermographed ones--usually also in color. I have a few in gold or silver, thermographed. Clearly much cooperation between mail clerk and collectors. The old USPO rules about only using PO-issue ink wasn't just a matter of color--it also had to do with ensuring legibility of the cancels. Some of the non-issue inks, including black, soaked into the paper, blurring everything. The North Bay group in the 30's around Mare Island has been mentioned; I think they overlapped with Clyde Welch's "Aiglon" airmail-and-some-naval-covers group in Oakland. An addressee on a number of my color and/or thermographed cancels from Mare Island-connected ships were addressed to USCS member and USS SAN FRANCISCO crewman George Irvine. I don't know if he was a mail clerk, but clearly had 'inside' status likely easing the easing of regulations.
Bill Nestor Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:19:48   152.163.253.4
Well I am off.....have a good night everyone!!!
Bill Nestor Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:16:35   152.163.253.4
Howdy Mike
Bill Nestor Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:16:13   152.163.253.4
Hi Jake, how is your recovery from the pneumonia coming?
Bill Nestor Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:15:19   152.163.253.4
Yea Jake, it is a wonder that the former crewmembers haven't protested very much, or had been prominent in the process of her disposal.
Bill Nestor Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:14:14   152.163.253.4
Larry Brennan: That case of the CO of VF 84 was covered by 60 minutes years ago. It was a very sympathetic piece. Made him sound as if he had been done wrong by the Navy. I didn't know peanuts from popcorn about the case them, so the piece 60 minutes did was very illuminating.
Jake Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:14:13   24.60.222.172
G'Evening Mike
Jake Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:13:56   24.60.222.172
Bill
Think your right about her being the first sunk for a reef
Mike Kaup - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:12:36
Jake Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:12:32   24.60.222.172
Or Cut up for scrap Bill
Jake Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:11:40   24.60.222.172
Hi Bill
Bill Nestor Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:07:42   152.163.253.4
The Oriskany was also one of the few carriers to have a plastic model made of her, sold by the Revell Co. I remember making it when I was younger......'bout 30 yrs ago.
Bill Nestor Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:06:43   152.163.253.4
Isn't the Oriskany the first carrier to be sunk by the Navy for reefs etc... I wonder how the former crewmen feel about that. But then.....she could have been used for target practice.
Bill Nestor - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 22:04:43
greg finnegan 9677 - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 21:57:20
Jake Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 21:50:13   24.60.222.172
At least the Oriskany CV34 will live on in the movies, as long as they keep showing the "Bridges of Toko-RI", as all the carrier film clips where taken aboard her and the aircraft used in the film were from VF192 the Golden Dragons at that time assigned to the Oriskany
Jake Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 21:29:40   24.60.222.172
Hi Joe
Jake - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 21:24:48
joe lewis - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 21:17:07
e sink Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 20:53:49   68.54.185.158
Another great Log received next to Valley Forge National Park; super articles especialy Yangtze era coverage; my Logs always seem to arrive on Tuesday...
Dan - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 20:53:28
Richard Jones 3933 Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 20:51:37   67.35.142.223
the decommissioned aircraft carrier Oriskany will be transferred to the state of Florida for sinking this summer as an artificial reef in the Gulf of Mexico off Pensacola.Florida’s proposal was selected by Naval Sea Systems Command from four different offers made by five states last year, said NavSea spokeswoman Pat Dolan.
The Pensacola proposal calls for sinking Oriskany in 212 feet of water more than 22 nautical miles from shore, with its island superstructure intact, as a fishing reef for charter boats and recreational diving attraction, a Florida environmental official said.
e sink - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 20:50:40
Richard Jones 3933 - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 20:36:23
mike meister - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 20:06:28
Thad - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 19:17:49
lbbrennan - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 18:33:11
lbbrennan - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 18:24:54
lbbrennan - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 18:07:08
Roger - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 18:02:59
Duane Wilson Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 17:30:23   204.124.92.254
Hello Joe.
Duane Wilson - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 17:28:50
Joe - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 17:18:16
Dan - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 17:14:31
drew - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 16:53:12
lbbrennan Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 16:47:49   38.117.188.10
Steve S, Welcome home. Enjoy the water and work on the jet lag. My rule is a day a time zone. You should be ok in less than 2 weeks [+- day light savings time].
Mike - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 16:36:51
Dave Kent - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 16:27:06
SteveS - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 16:14:12
lbbrennan Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 15:52:12   38.117.188.10
Norman, Try the USNA alumni association. They may have data for public distribution. The war classes were not four full years. You may find a Lucky Bag in a big libary and can check that way or find someone who has books from that era. Another, less promising way, may be to check google or the USNI membership book. Good luck.
lbbrennan - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 15:32:11
Dave Shaw - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 14:48:15
mike meister - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 13:23:30
drew - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 11:57:56
Dan - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 11:53:43
Greg - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 11:40:12
Greg Jacobs Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 11:39:39   24.2.240.126
Ned - you're welcome.
Greg Jacobs - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 11:36:41
Ned Harris Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 11:22:10   63.184.112.246
Greg: Thanks for sharing the good news about GSCC . I have been very pleased with them and look forward to doing more business with them.
Jim Klinger Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 11:19:22   24.11.86.88
Norman Elrod
A CWO5 Gary L. Kilker (Army) is listed in the 2000 directory, who lives in Ozark, AL. In the event he might ne a relative, you can contact him at 334-774-0900.
Ned Harris - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 11:14:54
Jim Klinger - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 10:57:06
Dave Shaw - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 10:30:32
Duane Wilson - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 10:05:58
Greg Jacobs Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 09:39:36   192.249.47.11
I had an email from Dave Shaw at the Great Southern Cover Company. He states emphatically that they are NOT going out of business but just clearing out some covers to make room because their office space is so small. This is good news to me because I've done some good business with GSCC.
Greg Jacobs - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 09:37:58
john beirne - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 08:55:24
Dan - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 06:48:55
Roger Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 06:06:26   206.82.75.159
USS SQUAILUS/Gow Ng sold for $220 on Ebay this morning and had 17 bids.
Roger - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 06:05:07
Roger Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 05:58:55   206.82.75.159
Morning Guys:
Got covers back serviced by USS SAN JAUN and USS LOS ANGELES, with OSC and CCs on the back. No C.O. Autographs this time on either. Also FINALLY got some USS FRANK CABLE covers back nicely struck with three bar killers. Still have not heard from USS NR-1. A few years ago I use to always get NR-1 covers back...guess times have changed.
Roger Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 05:54:57   206.82.75.159
Norman Elrod:
Have you tried contacting the academy directly via phone at the office of records. Try Ma Bell directory assistance Annapolis.
Roger - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 05:48:50
Dan - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 05:37:22
e sink - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 05:14:26
Chuck French L2602 - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 02:32:10
Baruch - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 01:17:24
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, April 05, 2004 at 23:57:51   12.72.122.80
Hi Mike.
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, April 05, 2004 at 23:57:36   12.72.122.80
We're off to Hawaii for 8 days. I hope that there will be new material awaiting for me when we get back to Tucson
Mike Kaup - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 23:56:45
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, April 05, 2004 at 23:55:48   12.72.122.80
Hi Robert.
Stewart B. Milstein - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 23:55:30
Robert Jank - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 23:47:55
dcampbell - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 23:37:02
room - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 23:05:00
mike meister - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 22:56:57
guest - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 22:56:28
Norman Elrod Monday, April 05, 2004 at 21:55:13   64.53.52.226
How can I verify that a person attended the United States Naval Academy sometime between 1939 to 1944? I have looked for a link through the Academy, but had no luck. I have only the person's name which is John Kilker. Any help will be appreciated. Norman
Norman Elrod - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 21:49:49
Dave Kent Monday, April 05, 2004 at 21:45:05   68.9.250.1
I guess I like to draw a distinction between markup and profit. If a dealer buys a cover for $1.00 and sells it for $5.00, but has $3.50 in expenses, his profit isn't $4.00, it's just 50 cents.
Dave Kent - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 21:32:42
Dan - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 21:27:01
Dave Shaw - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 21:19:12
e sink - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 21:14:49
Gregory A Mews - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 21:01:30
mike meister - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 20:56:00
Richard Jones 3933 - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 20:38:58
Richard Jones 3933 - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 20:10:47
Thad - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 20:07:13
Dan Monday, April 05, 2004 at 20:02:56   24.25.176.222
........and I just sent off the Fort Lauderdale Fleet Week covers this morning! Drat!!
Dan - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 20:01:49
Dave Shaw - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 19:41:37
Joe - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 19:35:32
mike meister - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 19:27:05
Jake Monday, April 05, 2004 at 19:02:18   24.60.222.172
Hi Ed
Hows it going, kind of nice to see the sun???
Jake - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 19:01:51
mike meister - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 18:56:50
Ed 10975 Monday, April 05, 2004 at 18:56:33   12.76.167.46
Change in ship visits at Ft Lauderdale fleet week. Oscar Austin DDG 79 has been cancelled and Trenton LPD 14 has been added. No word if any Coast Guard cutters will be there.
Ed 10975 - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 18:46:14
Dave Shaw - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 18:00:47
Dan - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 17:23:41
Roger Monday, April 05, 2004 at 17:15:53   206.82.71.184
Larry Brennan:
Gosh! I finally said something that folks agree with. I was getting gun shy about what I post in the chat room. HA HA! When a dealer pays 25c each or less for a couple of hundred covers that a collector is selling, and turns them around for $3-5 each or more, it is NOT because he is greedy. It is because that is what he has to sell them for to cover his Ebay overhead or traveling and table expenses at shows. I've never met a dealer yet that will pay much above 25% of the retail value for a cover, and I personally have no problem with that, especially if that is their only source of income. But, the price they paid does allow them some latitude to discount the covers and still make over 100%-150%+ profit. A dealer who does not give me a discount on a multiple cover purchase over $75 or so, doesn't get my business, most especially at a show or philatelic convention.
Roger - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 16:59:59
Duane Wilsonc - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 16:31:09
drew - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 16:28:58
Dave Shaw - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 16:16:38
howard - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 16:12:06
Dave Shaw - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 15:45:52
Dave Shaw - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 15:41:07
gary lowman - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 14:38:46
mike meister - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 14:27:49
Jim Woodley - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 13:54:13
Stewart B. Milstein - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 13:43:53
GGc - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 13:01:26
Dave Kent Monday, April 05, 2004 at 12:48:42   68.9.250.1
The margin in the cover business is actually very low compared to other retail businesses. The standard price for a book is ten times manufacturing cost, and it only costs a dollar to make a CD, whether it's music or a movie (check the retail price someday). A recent article in our newspaper told of a manufacturer that was browbeating a factory in China to reduce the cost of making a Christmas tree from $10 to $9, while admitting that the retail price of the tree here was $150. Two or three bucks for cover is cheap by comparision, regardless of what the dealer paid for it.
Ned Harris - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 12:37:23
mike meister - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 12:36:18
Dave Kent - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 12:31:57
Greg Jacobs - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 12:12:05
Dan - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 11:58:50
Thad - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 11:51:38
lbbrennan Monday, April 05, 2004 at 10:42:59   151.198.129.108
Ps The scene with NIMITZ passing ARIZONA at Pearl was actually KITTY HAWK. Another coincidence was that the officer in Ops who recalled the strike on the Japanese fleet also had to call off a planned mission in Iran when we launched the helos during the hostage rescue mission, one of the bitterest nights of my life when the Carter administration forbade efforts to locate missing US a/c and crewmembers.
lbbrennan Monday, April 05, 2004 at 10:40:22   151.198.129.108
Chuck French, Thanks for the news about "The Final Countdown". I reported to NIMITZ just at the end of filming and the litigation that arose from the filming took until the mid-1980s, about seven years. The then CO of VF 84 was convicted in Federal Court of crimes relating to gratutities he received allegedly for altering the flight hours charged to the Douglas' production company. He was not dismissed from the Navy and the admin board saved his pension for him. Last I heard he had gone to law school but was flying for FEDEX. A shame, since he was picked for the nuke pipeline and was a dynamic speaker. The US government finally recovered some of its money from the production co in the mid-1980s. The flying scenes are great -- they were done mostly in Key West by VF84. The shot with the F14A diving to kill the Zero nearly resulted in the loss of that Tomcat. The pilot Fox Farrell told of his unintended great recovery on the deck. Grumman spent a fortune to help with the filming at the flight scenes were used in the Intrepid museum for years.
The prior DVD of the movie wasn't that good but still it was a lot better than the VHS tape. I must have seen the previews a dozen times on our way home from the IO in 1980. The plot may not have been as popular as Topgun but many of the actors were real crewmembers. It's interesting to see how shipmates looked a quarter century ago.
Thanks for posting this tidbit.
Roger W is right about costs. The rule of thumb in retail is that the price is 3x the cost to the seller.
lbbrennan - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 10:32:09
Duane Wilson - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 09:45:54
drew - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 08:43:41
Jim Woodley - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 08:18:51
john beirne - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 08:10:13
Roger Monday, April 05, 2004 at 07:31:37   206.82.71.189
Dan:
One tip at the convention. Watch out for dealers who don't have prices on their covers!!!and if you buy over $50 worth from a single dealer, ask for a discount. If they say no,ask them again. Dealers pay about 25% or less of what a cover is worth when they buy covers. Keep that in the back of your mind.
john young - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 07:25:19
Roger - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 07:21:57
Dan - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 05:48:10
Chuck French L2603 Monday, April 05, 2004 at 04:08:24   68.225.232.143
Some of you may remember an interesting sci-fi movie from 1980, "The Final Countdown". It starred Kirk Douglas, Martin Sheen, Charles Durning, Katherine Ross. It's story was filmed almost entirely on the USS NIMITZ and concerned that the NIMITZ hit a time warp and ended up near Pearl Harbor on Dec. 6, 1941. Great special effects. Maltin gave it 3 stars. Well, it was just released on wide-screen DVD this past tuesday. The 2 Best Buys I went to had sold out as well as the nearby Circuit City. Finally found a copy at Tower. It was great.
Chuck French L2603 - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 03:51:35
SteveS - Monday, April 05, 2004 at 01:23:23
dcampbell - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 23:54:50
Robert Jank - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 23:50:09
Nick Tiberio - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 23:50:07
Stewart B. Milstein - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 23:24:03
Mike - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 23:17:11
room - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 23:11:20
bill nestor - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 23:00:10
Gregory A Mews - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 22:21:42
Thad - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 22:02:04
Mike Kaup - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 22:00:44
Jim Woodley - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 21:49:15
SteveS Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 21:33:41   211.214.197.211
Thanks for the tip Larry, I am heading to Itaewon this morning as a matter of fact. Then home tomorrow.
SteveS - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 21:31:53
Dan Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 21:22:51   24.25.176.222
Thanks Dave, I'll take you up on that.
Dan - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 21:20:40
Dave Kent Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 21:13:24   68.9.250.1
Dan: in baseball rookies sometimes get handled rough, but at a USCS convention you will be greeted with handshakes and big smiles. I'll buy you a drink in the hospitality room!
Dave Kent Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 21:11:58   68.9.250.1
The guy who almost certainly has the biggest collection of classic Type 9s is Jim Myerson, but he's pretty busy and may take a while to answer. Jim Smith and Jim Klinger also have extensive collections (guess if your name is Jim you have a big collection).
Dave Kent - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 21:07:38
Karl Zurn Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 21:05:57   64.222.106.6
Hi,
I finally got started on my USS Vermont Postal History. I am looking for a scans of Type 9 Cancels. Does anyone know who would have these?
Karl Zurn - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 21:05:44
e sink - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 20:52:24
lbbrennan Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 20:42:14   152.163.253.4
Steve S, Thanks for the travel log. I haven't been to Seoul for a few years; how are things. I prefer the black AFEES taxis as much safer and the drivers speak some English. There is an interesing ship's "junk" antique store in Itowon [sp] next to U.S. Kim's tailor shop. They have lots of things from scrapped merchant ships. I got a great old German sextant for a bargain.The food is pretty good, particularly in the hotels. If you go to Pusan beware of the Russians. They are a tough group and nearly run the seafront. I found a lot of the maps and signs in Russian in addition to Korean and before English. Surprising that Pusan has surpassed Osaka as a major international port after the Earthquake.I envy your trip to the Great Wall; perhaps someday. The Pyramids were wonderful. I'd love to go back and see Egypt but not sure if it will be safe in this lifetime.
Great April LOG and interesting review of the new data sheet by Jim Woodley who introduces us to interesting things from Navy History [and the Naval War College Libarary].
Steve, Safe trip home and happy cover hunting to all.
lbbrennan - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 20:35:07
Jake - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 20:19:51
Tjossem - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 20:16:19
mike meister - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 20:14:31
Dan Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 19:47:03   24.25.176.222
I have my room reservation and airline tickets for Indianapolis in August. I'm going to be like a rookie playing his first game.
Stewart B. Milstein Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 19:45:30   12.72.119.13
Steve Shay - when do you get to CONUS?
Dan - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 19:45:02
Stewart B. Milstein - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 19:45:00
Chuck S - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 18:47:28
SteveS - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 18:01:23
mike meister - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 17:46:24
Dan - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 16:38:25
Ed 10975 - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 14:26:15
d. - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 13:19:01
Jim McDevitt - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 12:57:35
Jim Woodley - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 12:29:28
Dan - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 12:02:06
Stewart B. Milstein - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 12:00:29
Ned Harris - Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 10:35:52