Gregory A. Mews Tuesday, May 31, 2005 at 21:54:37     65.26.213.150
I sent a note to the Public Affairs Officer of the PCU San Antonio, Lt. Maggie Bezek. She said the ship will commission sometime in October. She also gave me a slightly different fpo address than what was given here.
PCU San Antonio LPD-17
FPO 09587-1700

Joe mentioned the fpo as 09587-1718


lbbrennan Tuesday, May 31, 2005 at 20:43:38     216.9.250.63
John welcome back and thanks for the report
john young Tuesday, May 31, 2005 at 20:00:56     64.12.116.200
Ahoy Maties! Back from PIPEX & USCS Convention
in Portland, OR. Great show with several fines
including USS BEAR cover canceled in Canal Zone
on second trip down (Oct 1940). It was found in
dealer's box without sleeve, while the maiden voyage of M/V GREEN WAVE (1985) was in protective
sleeve. Just love those stamp dealers that bring
along covers in a shoe box!
Next year's convention will be in Washington DC
area (Bethesda, MD) 27-29 MAY 2006. The following
year we will with Rocky Mountain Show (Denver area)on weekend 18-20 MAY 2007.
Great PIPEX show, but only 40 plus frames of naval covers. I guess the good covers are still in
their albums at home. After chasing BEAR covers
for over twenty years, finally put together two
frames of covers. Best part of the show was the comments of several persons (non-collectors). Glad they enjoyed it!
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 31, 2005 at 18:13:31     38.117.188.10
Atlantic Ocean (May 26, 2005) - Sailors from Weapons and Air Departments scrub down the flight deck aboard USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69). Flight deck wash downs are performed prior to returning to port after an at-sea period, when conducting flight operations.
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 31, 2005 at 15:13:53     38.117.188.10
Everyone is quiet after the USCS National Convention? Guess a lot of great covers found new homes.
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 31, 2005 at 11:34:02     38.117.188.10
Did anyone watch the A&E movie about John McCain "Faith of my Fathers" last evening? Powerful and brutal. A bit different than PT 109.
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 31, 2005 at 09:50:19     38.117.188.10
DEATH OF A MARINE
By Jeff Jacoby
The Boston Globe

Sunday, May 29, 2005

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/05/29/death_of_a_marine/

Monday night, in a special Memorial Day broadcast of ''Nightline," Ted Koppel will call the roll of the more than 900 US troops who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan during the past 12 months. As each name is read, viewers will see a photograph of the fallen soldier. Executive producer Tom Bettag says the program is meant to remind Americans, ''regardless of their feelings about the war, that the men and women who have given their lives in our behalf are individuals with names and faces." When ABC aired a similar "Nightline" in April 2004, it was accused in some quarters of trying to inflame antiwar sentiment for political purposes. In the event, it proved a solemn and respectful tribute, and there has been no controversy this year.

Long lists of soldiers killed in wartime can have great emotional power, as anyone who has been to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington can attest. However dignified and moving, though, in the end such a listing can really describe them only as a group: *They wore the uniform and died in the service of their country.* But who they were individually, how they served, what they left behind -- that is more than a catalogue of names can convey.

So here is the story behind just one of the names ''Nightline" will enumerate on Memorial Day: Sergeant Rafael Peralta of Alpha Company, 1st Battalion, 3d Marines. He was killed in action on Nov. 15 during Operation Dawn, the epic battle to retake the Sunni stronghold of Fallujah.

What follows is chiefly based on an account by Marine Lance Corporal T.J. Kaemmerer, a combat correspondent who took part in the operation that cost Peralta his life. Reports also appeared in the Los Angeles Times, The Marine Corps Times, The San Diego Union Tribune, and on ABC News.

On the day he died, Rafael Peralta was 25 years old, a Mexican immigrant from San Diego who had enlisted in the Marines as soon as he became a legal resident. He earned his citizenship while on active duty and re-upped in 2004. He was a Marine to the core, so meticulous that when Alpha Company was training in Kuwait, he would send his camouflage uniform out to be pressed.

He was no less passionate about his adopted country: His bedroom wall was adorned with a picture of his boot camp graduation and replicas of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. ''Be proud of being an American," he wrote to his kid brother Ricardo, 14. ''Our father came to this country and became a citizen because it was the right place for our family to be." It was the first letter he ever wrote to Ricardo -- and the last. It arrived in San Diego the day after he died.

The Marines of the 1/3 were on the front lines in Fallujah, purging the city of terrorists in house-to-house combat. As a platoon scout, Peralta could have stayed back in relative safety. Instead, as was often the case, he volunteered to join the assault team.

On the morning of Nov. 15, one week into the battle for Fallujah, his squad had cleared three houses without incident. They approached a fourth, kicking in two locked doors simultaneously and entering both front rooms. They found them empty. Another closed door led to an adjoining room. As the other Marines spread out, wrote Kaemmerer, ''Peralta, rifle in hand, tested the handle." It wasn't locked. He threw open the door, preparing to rush in -- and three terrorists with AK-47s opened fire. He was shot multiple times in the chest and face. As he fell, severely wounded, he managed to wrench himself out of the doorway to give his fellow Marines a clear line of fire.

The gunfire was deafening. To the sound of the terrorists' AK-47s was added the din of the Marines' M16 rifles and Squad Automatic Weapon, a machine gun. The battle was raging, with Peralta down and bleeding heavily and the other Marines firing at the enemy in the back room, when, in Kaemmerer's words, ''a yellow, foreign-made, oval-shaped grenade bounced into the room, rolling to a stop close to Peralta's nearly lifeless body."

As the other Marines tried to flee, Peralta reached for the grenade and tucked it into his gut. Seconds later, it exploded with such force that when his remains were returned to his family for burial, they were able to identify him only by the tattoo on his shoulder. His five comrades-in-arms, shielded from the worst of the blast by Peralta's last act as a Marine, survived.

** ** ** **

''Right now, people are really nice and everything," Peralta's 12-year-old sister Karen told a reporter 10 days after her brother's death. ''But I know that when it comes to later on, they are going to forget him. They're going to forget about him."

No, Karen. The Marines, always faithful, do not forget their heroes. And neither does the grateful nation that pauses to honor them this week -- the nation Rafael Peralta loved so deeply, and for which he gave his last full measure of devotion.

(Jeff Jacoby is a columnist for The Boston Globe.)

Gregory A. Mews Monday, May 30, 2005 at 18:58:51     65.26.213.150
Thanks Joe for the helpful info on the San Antonio.
Roger Monday, May 30, 2005 at 17:12:28     69.40.23.172
Happy Memorial Day to all.
"Freedom is not Free"...those who made the ultimate sacrifice are why we have our freedom today.
Roger Monday, May 30, 2005 at 17:10:10     69.40.23.172
Joe,
Thanks for the info on the USS SAN ANTONIO. Do you know if there will be a pictorial for her FDC??
Chas Henry Monday, May 30, 2005 at 14:11:48     64.168.104.154
Salute to Vets -

May 30, 2005 (L.A. TIMES)
IN BRIEF / MARYLAND
At 103, Former Sailor to Represent WWI Vets

Memorial Day parade organizers were considering using actors to represent veterans of World War I when they learned about 103-year-old Lloyd Brown — one of the last living veterans of the war.

Brown plans to ride in a parade today in Washington to represent the rest of the 4.7 million members of the U.S. armed forces who took part in the Great War. The Charlotte Hall, Md., man is one of the 30 veterans still living, according to an unofficial estimate by the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Brown said he was 16 when he lied about his age so he could join the Navy in 1918. His Maryland driver's license still lists his birth date as Oct. 7, 1899, instead of 1901, the correct year.


allen L. Jones Monday, May 30, 2005 at 12:29:11     205.188.116.131
I am the USS Waddell DDG-24 Ships Historian & Curator. I am looking for any USS Waddell DDG-24 covers that we can add to our Archives. I may be reached by E-mail: allenljones56@aol.com
Thank you

allen


Joe Monday, May 30, 2005 at 12:04:27     205.188.116.131
To Greg Mews: Yup the LPD 17 has a FPO 09587-1718, and theres PC2 Todd M. Slocum, ready to serve you. FDPS is iminent, FDC o/a 13 August so send your covers ASAP either to the FPO, or to PCU San Antonio (LPD 17) 5100 River Rd., Bldg. 721 Westwego, LA 70094. This address would be good for all the LPD PCU's save for the LPD 19 & 22 building at Pascagoula. The LPD 18 will be Commissioned in the Big Easy, later this year.
pacoastie@verizon.net Monday, May 30, 2005 at 10:06:41     63.242.60.29
Had a visit last night to Mosier, OR. Huber's were great hosts. Columbia Gorge is comparable to the Grand Canyon. Heading to Portland and "Southwest" land tthis AM for flight back to Philly's Delaware Valley. Had to go out yesterday and purchase a second "carry on" bag to bring the covers home. It was either that, of throw the clothes out to make room for the covers.
e sink Monday, May 30, 2005 at 09:05:16     68.85.255.77
Larry: Thanks for the info and clarification on the LASALLE. I have all 3 of Don Schultz's books from the sixties on Mercury, Gemini and Apollo and
never could find anything on the LASALLE. Best/Elgin

Mike Sunday, May 29, 2005 at 23:55:56     172.199.33.233
Hi Joe...thanks for advice with the PC of the USS VINCENNES. I don't know who was doing the postmarking aboard the USS VINCENNES so no offense to PCSN Nathan Pierce. I sent a detailed letter along with my covers of what I was requesting. In the past I have received covers back with both the cover and stuffer postmarked, but never just the stuffer. Between my detailed letter and common sense, I don't understand how this happen.
Gregory A. Mews Sunday, May 29, 2005 at 22:35:57     65.26.213.150
Does the PCU San Antonio have an established FPO mailing address?
A heads up on her...I see that she's supposed to be commissioning sometime in June, but no date has been set yet. Commissioning takes place at Naval Station Ingleside, Texas. Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson is supposed to be there for the ceremony, and serve as sponsor of the ship.
joe Sunday, May 29, 2005 at 21:39:07     68.45.131.211
To Mike: The PC on Vincennes, is a striker, and he might not be up to speed on 'Philatelic' Mail. His name is PCSN Nathan Pierce, and you still have plenty of time to resubmit them with a polite note that you want the cancels 'hit' on the outside, and send him a SASE, or a plastic sleeve so "Dago doesn't overkill them...works for me...
lbbrennan Sunday, May 29, 2005 at 14:21:16     70.111.156.86
Elgin, This may be the answer:"Titan-3/MOL Heatshield Test PRS, 11-3-66, USS LaSalle - HC, RSC, autographed by James A. Abrahamson, REISER FAKE - cover and autograph are FAKE!!! Great for space cover history! "

lbbrennan Sunday, May 29, 2005 at 14:15:50     70.111.156.86
Gemini 12 was 11 to 15NOV66 according to NASA; something looks wrong.
lbbrennan Sunday, May 29, 2005 at 14:09:38     70.111.156.86
Elgin, Here is another clue.
Through the first half of 1966, La Salle continued operating off the east coast. July and September were spent in Norfolk for upkeep and modifications, with further exercises following. On 3 November, she recovered a Gemini II test space capsule near Ascension Island. This was returned to Cape Kennedy, Fla

lbbrennan Sunday, May 29, 2005 at 14:07:03     70.111.156.86
Elgin, Don't know which Gemini s/c? Isn't 1966 a bit late for an unmanned flight?

Interesting news from the PacNW. Tell John Young be patient with his cigar free life; my father quit cigarettes after 40 years of 2+ packs per day.


Tjossem Sunday, May 29, 2005 at 13:07:39     63.242.60.29
Great Stamp show here in Portland!
pacoastie@verizon.net Sunday, May 29, 2005 at 13:00:28     63.242.60.29
All good here in Clackamas! Huber's had some great covers. John Young quit smoking, so, no cigar in his teeth! Tace care, Rich H
e sink Sunday, May 29, 2005 at 09:51:03     68.85.255.77
Larry: Concerning the La Salle history,what Gemini capsule did LaSalle recover?... can't recall her involvement...
In 1966, La Salle became the first ship of her size to successfully recover and return a Project Gemini space capsule to Cape Canaveral, Fla. ...
lbbrennan Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 20:43:20     70.111.156.86
“Great White Ghost” Decommissions in Norfolk

By Master Chief Journalist (SW) Kevin Copeland, Commander, Naval Surface Force, U.S. Atlantic Fleet Public Affairs

NORFOLK, Va. (NNS) -- USS La Salle (AGF 3) was formally “laid to rest” during a pierside decommissioning ceremony at Naval Station Norfolk, May 27.

Since 1994, La Salle had served as the flagship for Commander, U.S. 6th Fleet, based in Gaeta, Italy.

“The USS La Salle has carried her message of democracy for 41 years, and she has done it masterfully,” said Rear Adm. Mark R. Milliken, director, Navy International Programs Office, guest speaker and former commanding officer of USS La Salle. “Today, we are not just decommissioning the “Great White Ghost of the Arabian Coast,” we are saying thank you. Thank you to those who have served, and to those who will go on to serve in another capacity in this great Navy. For you are now, and forever will be, a part of history.

The ship’s commanding officer, Capt. Herman A. Shelanski, echoed the admiral’s comments, but also wanted to extend his appreciation to the crew.

“I want to thank the superb crew who successfully met all of its challenging commitments. They participated in numerous multinational exercises, countless days at sea conducting Maritime Intercept Operations, and they were essential to the defense of Athens against terrorist activity during the Summer Olympics," he said. "We’ve been as far away as Ireland and the Black Sea, where we improved relationships and fostered goodwill. This couldn’t have happened without the expertise and hard work of all of the La Salle Sailors."

La Salle was relieved of its flagship duties by USS Mount Whitney (LCC/JCC 20) during a change of flagship ceremony in Gaeta, Feb. 25. The ship arrived in Norfolk March 17 for the decommissioning process.

Commissioned as an amphibious transport dock ship Feb. 22, 1964, USS La Salle (LPD 3) served as the flagship for Atlantic Amphibious Forces during the Dominican Crisis in 1965. In 1966, La Salle became the first ship of her size to successfully recover and return a Project Gemini space capsule to Cape Canaveral, Fla. After an extensive overhaul in Philadelphia in 1972, the ship was re-designated as a miscellaneous command ship (AGF), and assumed duties for Commander, Middle East Force. During this time, the ship was painted white to reflect the hot sun and was affectionately nicknamed, “The Great White Ghost of the Arabian Coast.”

In 1979, La Salle assisted in the evacuation of 260 American and foreign national civilians from the Iranian seaport of Bandar Abbas, and subsequently became the focal point of U.S. activity in the Persian Gulf at the outset of the Iranian Hostage Crisis. The ship returned stateside in late 1980 for the first time in almost nine years. After undergoing an extensive overhaul in Norfolk, La Salle returned to the Persian Gulf and became the flagship for Commander, Middle East Forces in June 1983. In 1984, the ship conducted mine sweeping operations in the Red Sea in response to attempts to disrupt shipping lanes, and in 1986, conducted contingency operations in the Gulf of Aden during Yemen’s civil war.

After the Iraqi missile attack on USS Stark (FFG 31) in May 1987, La Salle provided the primary fire fighting rescue assistance to the ship. During Operation Desert Shield, the ship assumed the responsibility of commanding and coordinating the multinational Maritime Intercept Force. Soon afterwards, La Salle returned to Norfolk to begin an overhaul to prepare it for duties as the 6th Fleet Flagship.

Since assuming those responsibilities Nov. 8, 1994, La Salle has been fully engaged in operations throughout the Mediterranean and Black Seas in its role of supporting Commander, U.S. 6th Fleet and Strike Force and Logistics South. In providing this operational support, the ship played a huge role in fostering goodwill and understanding between the United States and Western Asian, Middle Eastern and Southern European Mediterranean countries,

Following the tragic events of Sept. 11, 2001, La Salle became fully engaged in the war on terrorism, serving as 6th Fleet’s big deck in supporting Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom.

One of the ship’s last major assignments was supporting NATO-led efforts to control the international waters off Greece during the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens.

The ship has received 35 unit awards, including six Meritorious Unit Commendation Medals, six Navy “E” ribbons, four Armed Forces Service Medals, four Navy Unit Commendation Medals, three Navy Expeditionary Medals, three Armed Forces Expeditionary Medals, two Humanitarian Service Medals, one Combat Action Ribbon, one NATO Medal, one Kosovo Campaign Medal, a Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, and a Global War on Terrorism Service Medal.

La Salle will be towed to the Philadelphia Navy Yard early next week to await its final disposition.


Mike Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 20:24:38     172.199.33.233
Here is a first for me. I sent 3 covers to the pc of the USS VINCENNES CG-49 for the up coming Decommissioning. I received them back today with great strikes, dated 6-29-05, with ship's crest. Only problem instead of postmarking the cover...the stuffer cards are postmarked with the date and crest. There are no marks of any kind on the covers! And to boot the covers were sealed. Why would someone do that? Just to mean? I rather the person had not bother to send them back to me.
e sink Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 19:53:31     68.85.255.77
Nice FREE franks received today from USS GONZALES
with nice type 2 and previous commissioning cachet
also same with type 9 and PC signature on stuffers.
Chas Henry Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 16:46:20     64.168.104.154
(Remind Paul)
Chas Henry Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 16:45:42     64.168.104.154
Yeah, Steve, only consolation here is it's a nice, cool 78 for the Sacramento Jazz Jubilee!
Mark Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 12:11:53     66.58.131.250
SteveS Thanks for keeping us posted on the convention
SteveS Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 11:57:40     63.242.60.29
Correction to my last sentence below, the 2006 convention will be in Washington in 2006 and in Denver in May 2007.
SteveS Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 10:36:57     63.242.60.29
Portland saved record breaking heat for the COnvention, around 95 degrees Friday. A dozen of us toured the USS Blueback, SS 581, which is a local museum ship. There are at least half a dozen dealers with naval covers and lots of covers in the hospitality sweet in the evening. There are also ship patches and plaques and cruise books, welcome pamphlets, etc. The BOD meeting was effective and saw a demonstration of the CD ROM version of the Postmark Catalog being completed by Paul Bunter. It is really slick. Today we have a general membership meeting preceeded by a meeting to talk about the Log with Richard Jones. There are ~200 frames of exhibits with around 10 naval cover exhibits. The medals will be posted today with the award banquet tonight. There will be a membership recruiting meeting on Sunday. At least 1 and maybe 2 USS Oregon cancels have surfaced this weekend increasing the number of known copies. If you missed this year, the 2006 convention will be in Denver in May.
HERB ROMMEL Friday, May 27, 2005 at 21:05:33     68.109.122.54
gREETINGS TO ALL AT CONVENTION.
Capt Huber sent me a photo of him, me and Capt Rawlins at Boxboro. That was a great erxhibit by Capt Rawlins.
I suggest you check out Lafoe's auctions; he pictures every cover.
Our first sailboat race was cancelled due to Northeaster. Will try next Wed. I am getting feeble to race - can hardly get from one side to other when we tack.
Dan Friday, May 27, 2005 at 17:04:22     24.25.181.25
Thanks Roger.
Roger Friday, May 27, 2005 at 15:22:10     69.40.23.156
Dan,
The will is a prictorial for the ALABAMA anniversary at the Groton post office.
lbbrennan Friday, May 27, 2005 at 13:52:35     38.117.188.10
Quiet days here. Enjoy the convention. Good hunting with the covers.
lbbrennan Friday, May 27, 2005 at 09:29:59     216.9.250.63
Late train ride lOoking at senic Newark
Mike Friday, May 27, 2005 at 01:32:43     172.199.33.233
Rich do you know if there are going to be pictorial postmarks for the Decommissioning of:
USS VINCENNES CG-49
USS CUSHING DD-985
USS O'BANNON DD-987
USS BELLEAU WOOD LHA-3
????
Thanks
Mike Friday, May 27, 2005 at 01:27:14     172.199.33.233
Hope everyone at the convention has a good time.
lbbrennan Friday, May 27, 2005 at 00:31:05     216.9.250.62
Yankswin I missrd my train
lbbrennan Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 21:33:23     216.9.250.62
8th inning Yankees 4 tigers 3
e sink Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 20:46:21     68.85.255.77
Rich / Thanks in advance for the ESSEX cover and will look forward to receiving it. Have a great time at the convention.
lbbrennan Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 18:39:48     216.9.250.63
Greetings from Yankee stadium
Ed 10975 Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 18:13:03     12.76.172.159
In addition to the Fleet Week ships mentioned 3 French ships are due to arrive May 27 and 4 Canadian ships on the 28th.
Dan Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 16:30:58     24.25.181.25
Does anyone know if a cancel is available for the ALABAMA anniversary in commission. It is May 25 and I can't find anything in the postal bulletin.
SteveS Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 14:18:47     65.213.44.9
The Log printer tells me that the June Log was mailed today so expect some early deliveries, even with the holiday coming up.
lbbrennan Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 13:30:01     38.117.188.10
Conventioneers beware of strangers.

WASHINGTON, May 26, 2005 - Iraqi and coalition forces are searching for three detainees who escaped from the Abu Ghraib theater internment facility near Baghdad, Iraq, before sunrise today.

At about 5:50 a.m., during a normal headcount, prison guards discovered three detainees missing.

A quick-reaction force conducted a comprehensive search of the interior and exterior perimeter of the prison facility and alerted Iraqi security forces and police and other coalition forces. The search revealed two holes in the compound's fence, but the detainees were not found, U.S. military officials in Baghdad reported.

All other Abu Ghraib detainees were accounted for.

Elsewhere, Operation New Market continues in Anbar province, where U.S. Marines and sailors and Iraqi security forces have been searching buildings and businesses in Haditha, trying to locate terrorists, weapons and ammunition caches. More than 1,000 Marines and sailors are participating in the operation. They have established checkpoints in and around Haditha to prevent insurgents from leaving. They found one weapons cache, consisting of a rocket-propelled-grenade launcher, a machine gun and ammunition buried in a palm grove north of the city.

On May 25, insurgents attacked Marines and Iraqi forces with small-arms fire in the central part of the city. Six insurgents were killed in the engagement and two Marines were wounded. Locals identified one killed attacker as an imam, who reportedly fired on the Marines and Iraqi forces with an AK-47 assault rifle.

In other developments today:

An Iraqi child was killed as insurgents and multinational forces exchanged fire during an engagement in northern Iraq.

Task Force Liberty soldiers discovered two weapons caches at separate sites southwest of Bayji. The caches included 30 155 mm artillery rounds and 20 155 mm rounds.


lbbrennan Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 11:29:54     38.117.188.10
Here is a long posting re details of NY Fleet Week.

Hello Sailor! NYC Fleet Week Begins



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May 26, 2005 7:30 am US/Eastern
(1010 WINS) (NEW YORK) The Intrepid Sea Air Space Museum is co-hosting New York City’s 18th Annual Fleet Week celebration May 25th to May 31st.

Many of the exciting Fleet Week activities that have become synonymous with the event will be staged at the Intrepid Sea Air Space Museum on 12th Avenue & West 46th Street, with others scheduled throughout the five boroughs of New York.

In partnership with New York City, the United States Navy and the Intrepid Sea Air Space Museum, over a dozen Navy and Coast Guard ships will visit New York Harbor during Fleet Week. In addition, there will be military demonstrations, athletic competitions and many other exciting activities over the course of the seven-day celebration.

One highlight of the week’s activities is the Memorial Day ceremony held on the flight deck of the Intrepid Sea Air Space Museum. Veterans and active military personnel from all five branches of the armed services join in the museum’s tribute to the men and women who have made the supreme sacrifice for their country. The ceremony includes the playing of Taps, a ceremonial wreath laying, 21-gun salute, the unfurling of a 100 foot American flag and a fly-over of military aircraft in the missing man formation.

Fleet Week event favorites include the Parade of Ships, stem to stern relay race and tug-of-war crew competitions, live demonstrations of military skills, and the Best Chow Competition.

The Intrepid Sea Air Space Museum is proud to participate in New York City’s 18th Annual Fleet Week and to continue its mission to “honor our heroes, educate the public and to inspire our youth.”

The following Fleet Week 2005 events are free and open to the public.

DAILY EVENTS

Naval Submarine School Display 7:30 a.m. - 6 p.m. Pier 88 (Manhattan)
Navy Recruiting District Display 8 a.m. - 6 p.m. Pier 88 (Manhattan)
U.S. Coast Guard Display 8 a.m. - 7 p.m. through May 30 Intrepid Pier
Navy Environmental Exhibit 9 a.m. - 6 p.m. through June 1 48th St. and Hudson River (Manhattan)
Navy Recruiting District Simulator Open daily 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. while ships are in port Homeport Pier (Staten Island) Public Ship Tours Noon - 5 p.m. Thur-Tues Pier 88 (Manhattan) and Stapleton Pier (Staten Island)

Wednesday, May 25, 2005

Navy Recruiting Exhibit (SEAL Motivator) 8 a.m. - 6 p.m. Pier 88 (Manhattan)

**Parade of Ships**
USS Shreveport (LPD-12)
USS Cape St. George (CG-71)
PNS Tippu Sultan (D 185) - Pakistan
USS Carr (FFG-52)
USCG Katherine Walker (WLM 552)
USS Porter (DDG-78)
Navy Afloat Laboratory "Starfish" (YP-679)
PNS Moawin (A 20) - Pakistan
USCG Vigorous (WEMC 627)
USS John F. Kennedy (CV 67)

9 a.m. - 1 p.m. Hudson River The most optimal viewing locations for the Parade of Ships are at Fort Hamilton between 8:45 and 11 a.m., and at Battery Park between 9:30 and 11:30 a.m. The flyover can be viewed from 11 a.m. to noon

Thursday, May 26, 2005

U.S. Marine Corps Demonstration 10:30 a.m.- 12:30 p.m. Cunningham Park, Union Turnpike and 196 St. (Queens) Blessing of the Fleet 11 a.m. - Noon Homeport Pier (Staten Island)
U.S. Marine Corps Demonstration 1 - 3 p.m. Clove Lakes Park, Clove Rd. & Slosson Ave.
Public Ship Tours Noon - 5 p.m. Pier 88 (Manhattan) and Stapleton Pier (Staten Island)

Friday, May 27, 2005

U.S. Marine Corps demonstration 10:30 a.m. - 1230 p.m. Riverbank State Park, 679 Riverside Dr.
Marine Day in NYC Noon - 6 p.m.
Bryant Park U.S. Marine Corps demonstration 1 - 3 p.m. Orchard Beach Pelham Bay Park (Bronx)
Public Ship Tours Noon - 5 p.m. Pier 88 (Manhattan) and Stapleton Pier (Staten Island)

Saturday, May 28, 2005

Public Ship Tours Noon - 5 p.m. Pier 88 (Manhattan) and Stapleton Pier (Staten Island)

Sunday, May 29, 2005

Greenpoint Parade 9 a.m. to Noon 519 Leonard St., Brooklyn
Forest Hills Memorial Parade Noon - 3 p.m. Forest Hills, Queens
Maspeth Memorial Day Parade 1 p.m. - 3:30 p.m. 56-18 69th Street Maspeth, Queens
College Point Memorial Parade, crew of USS Mahan and Marines to participate 2 p.m. - 4 p.m. 26th Ave. and College Point Blvd. College Point, Queens
Public Ship Tours Noon - 5 p.m. Pier 88 (Manhattan) and Stapleton Pier (Staten Island)

Monday, May 30, 2005

Pelham Memorial Day Parade 11 a.m. Pelham, NY
Glendale Memorial Day Parade 11 a.m. - 1 p.m. Glendale, NY
Brooklyn Memorial Day Parade 11 a.m. - 2 p.m. 79th St. and 3rd Ave. Brooklyn
Bayville Memorial Day Parade 11 a.m. - 5 p.m. Bayville, NY
Staten Island Memorial Day Parade 11 a.m. - 6 p.m. Staten Island
Manhattan Memorial Day Parade 2 p.m. - 3 p.m. Manhattan
Little Neck Memorial Day Parade 1 p.m. Little Neck, Douglaston
City Island Memorial Day Parade 2 - 5p.m. City Island, Bronx
Public Ship Tours Noon - 5 p.m. Pier 88 (Manhattan) and Stapleton Pier (Staten Island)

Tuesday, May 31, 2005

Public Ship Tours Noon - 5 p.m. Pier 88 (Manhattan) and Stapleton Pier (Staten Island)

Wednesday, June 1, 2005

Fleet Week Ships Depart

Courtesy: Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum


lbbrennan Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 11:10:00     38.117.188.10
ASHINGTON, May 26, 2005 - The U.S. Mint at Philadelphia celebrated National Military Appreciation Month May 25 with the ceremonial strike of a new commemorative coin, the 2005 Marine Corps 230th Anniversary Silver Dollar.

Current and former Marines cheered as Director Henrietta Holsman Fore and other dignitaries struck the coins in the Proof Room where the silver dollar will be produced. The official launch of the Marine Corps 230th Anniversary Silver Dollar will be at Marine Corps Base Quantico, Va., on July 20, U.S. Mint officials said.

This is the first time the United States has honored a branch of the military with a commemorative coin, according to information provided by the Mint. Surcharges from the sale of 2005 Marine Corps 230th Anniversary Silver Dollars will be paid to the Marine Corps Heritage Foundation to help construct the National Museum of the Marine Corps in Quantico.

The obverse, or "heads" side, design of the coin features the raising of the American flag at Iwo Jima from the famous photograph by Joe Rosenthal during World War II. On the reverse, "tails" side, is the Marine Corps eagle, globe and anchor emblem and motto, "Semper Fidelis" - Latin for "always faithful."

"The coin design is simple and heroic," Fore commented at the ceremony. "The Iwo Jima image is the storied symbol of the Marine Corps heroism, courage, strength and versatility. It exemplifies Semper Fidelis to an appreciative nation every day around the world."

"We are honored to be the first military service to receive a commemorative coin issued by the United States Mint. And we are particularly pleased that proceeds from this coin will help build the Marine Corps National Museum in Quantico," said Marine Corps Assistant Commandant Gen. William L. Nyland. "I can think of no better way to honor our Marine men and women than to capture the proud history and heritage of the Marine Corps in a museum that will forever educate visitors from around the world about the role the Marines have played throughout world history, and will continue to play in the future."

Congress authorizes two official commemorative coins annually, and only the United States Mint may produce them. The Marine Corps 230th Anniversary Silver Dollar is the second and final commemorative coin that the United States Mint will produce in 2005. The Chief Justice John Marshall Commemorative Silver Dollar was launched earlier this year.


lbbrennan Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 10:32:18     38.117.188.10
Resolution introduced re naming of USCG cutter
Representative Israel (D-NY) introduced a concurrent resolution (H. Con. Res. 151) urging the Commandant of the Coast Guard to name an appropriate Coast Guard vessel after Coast Guard Petty Officer Third Class Nathan Bruckenthal. Note - Petty Officer Bruckenthal and two U.S Navy sailors were killed during the April 24, 2004 terrorist attack on the Khawr al Amaya crude oil loading terminal in the Arabian Gulf off the Iraqi port of Basra. (5/12/05).

pacoastie@verizon.net Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 00:01:25     151.197.173.34
Got to run, time to pick up my tickless boarding pass. Hey, if its tickless, why do I need to print it out?
pacoastie@verizon.net Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 23:59:55     151.197.173.34
Elgin - have a free frank from son before he left Iraq, posted aboard ESSEX in March. Will save one for you. He gave it to some Marines he was working with who were off the ESSEX and they mailed them when they returned to the ship.
pacoastie@verizon.net Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 23:57:25     151.197.173.34
BELLEAU WOOD LDC will be 13 October and 24 October. Ceremony on 13th, Last Day on 24th. All in San Diego.
pacoastie@verizon.net Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 23:55:19     151.197.173.34
Good evening folks, packing and shining my shoes. Off at zero dark thirty, and won't arrive in Portland until about 5PM tomorrow.
Roger, I'll gat back to you after I return, on the MACKINAW covers.
Ed 10975 Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 22:32:56     12.76.174.139
Seawaves is back up.
Dan Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 21:06:00     24.25.181.25
Thanks Elgin and Ed.
Dave Kent Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 20:51:25     68.9.249.147
So far as I know USCGC EAGLE does not currently have a postmark. She did at one time.
Gregory A. Mews Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 20:16:01     65.26.213.150
Does the USCGC Eagle have a ship cancel?
e sink Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 19:46:01     68.85.255.77
Dan: Go to http://www.seawaves.com/navcall.htm
which will take you right to port visits at Seawaves.

Ed 10975 Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 18:47:14     12.76.174.139
Server upgrades on the Seawaves site. Will be back again.
Dan Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 16:00:27     24.25.181.25
Looks like Seawaves is no longer available for us freeloaders.
Chas Henry Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 14:35:12     64.168.104.154
Thanks, Dave, real interesting.
Dave Kent Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 12:23:03     68.9.249.147
Most of the carriers and tenders had cancelling machines in the 1980s and 1990s, but requests over about the last five years for examples of machine cancels have invariably been answered with hand cancels. Some clerks don't seem to know what a cancelling machine is, or send a postage meter impression instead. Considering the usual turnover in a military unit, if the machines were discontinued five years ago, it is possible that none of the clerks, except maybe a senior chief, would have ever seen or used one.
lbbrennan Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 11:44:26     38.117.188.10
Craig, The third and final navy unit award is the MUC, Meritorious Unit Citation.

Richard Jones,

Sorry. That was a failed BlackBerry message intended to suggest that you visit NAS Whidbey Island if it fits your schedule. The Navy Lodge on the Seaplane base appears to be convenient.

Enjoy the Convention.


Craig Martin Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 10:56:56     24.250.12.171
Thanks for the PUC/NUC definitions, guys.
lbbrennan Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 07:46:00     216.9.250.63
Bailey received a nuc navy unit citation
lbbrennan Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 07:40:04     216.9.250.62
Richard Jones naa
Roger Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 07:34:19     69.40.17.36
Richard Jones,
You sould look up Wolf Pinkstaff when you are in Tillamook...he's a USCS member who runs a computer store in town...close friend of mine as well. His phone # is 503-842-6500(H) and 503-842-7500(W).
Roger Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 07:29:31     69.40.17.36
Dave Kent,
The USS MIDWAY has a cancelling machine in the late 80's.
Mark Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 22:23:42     66.58.131.250
PUC - - The Presidential Unit Citation is a senior unit award granted to military units which have performed an extremely meritorious or heroic act, usually in the face of an armed enemy. Several nations bestow awards which are referred to as the Presidential Unit Citation.
Found at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Unit_Citation


Craig Martin Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 21:40:16     24.250.12.171
LB, I am not sure what a PUC is. Here's the website with the text, which I should have noted when I pasted the text of the commendation:

http://www.domeisland.com/benson-gleavesclass/nuc492.html


Norm Ferguson Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 21:35:56     24.7.255.81
Dave;
Thanks for the drink offer, but I can't make it. Do you have a 9v from USS Melvin DD-335? If not, I know where you can get one.
Norm
Craig Martin Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 21:27:32     24.250.12.171
Hi Dave, thanks for the additional info 9on cancelling machines. Very valuable.

Jake Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 20:05:59     24.131.173.235
John Young

Thanks for the tip on asking about covers.


Dave Kent Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 15:49:44     68.9.249.147
Incidentally, no ship seems to have a cancelling machine any more, even the carriers. I suspect that the Postal Service has withdrawn small stand-alone cancelling machines from use so they won't have to provide repair and spare parts service any more. The machines that are part of the huge mail processing systems at big postal centers remain in use, but you wouldn't install one of those on a carrier.
Dave Kent Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 15:47:41     68.9.249.147
'Twas actually a gunbot, CHARLESTON (PG-56) that had a cancelling machine when she was commissioned back in 1936. The destroyer CASSIN also had a cancelling machine upon commissioning in 1936. Both ships turned the machine back in after a few months as they obviously were not needed. Can't think of any other vessels that small that had machines. Most were used on battleships, carriers and tenders or repair ships.
Ned Harris Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 14:25:22     68.110.4.127
John Young: I finially picked up a couple of the BAREX-50 covers with the printed cachets that you inquired about in this forum several months ago. They are #10s, have a humorous cachet, and are addressed to Neal Eskew. They are postmarded on the Washburn and Ashtabula. I'll bring them to Portland so you can see them. See you there.
Chas Henry Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 13:35:34     64.168.104.154
Dave - You mentioned there's only been one craft as small as a destroyer that's ever had a machine cancel...Kind of wondering which one that might have been...
Tjossem Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 10:27:02     207.118.12.253
See you in Portland!
john young Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 09:23:47     68.193.180.155
Jake: Just check the Yellow Pages when you
get there. That always works for me when I
visit a new city. Always look for a stamp
shop, and don't mention naval covers, just
covers! You never know what you're going to
find! Several years ago, found a unique launch
cover for USCGC POLAR STAR in Chicago.
Found several USS BEAR (AG 29) covers from
Byrd III Expedition in New York City. Never
just naval covers to a stamp dealer, as they
think you specialize! Just ask to look in their
cover boxes and you'll find lost treasures! Good
Hunting!
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 08:19:36     216.9.250.62
David make mine a diet strawberry yahoo
Jake Monday, May 23, 2005 at 22:11:11     24.131.173.235
NOIP
Does anyone know of any good stamp and cover stores in Honolulu?? Or just Naval cover dealers??
Jake Monday, May 23, 2005 at 22:08:19     24.131.173.235
Ed.
Got all my arrangements made today for the Hawaii trip, will be traveling and staying with a fellow Legionaire from Randolph, he is 87 a Veteran from the "Greatest Generation". He should ahve some interesting tales to tell, not only of WWII days but of past convention, as he has attended a large number of them since WWII.

Makes the cost of the hotel room a lot cheaper, even though the Post is paying for it.

Now hope I can make a hook up with the son, that his squadron will not be on forward deployment during the summer


Jake Monday, May 23, 2005 at 21:59:22     24.131.173.235
Ed D.
Most likely they were in Blue pants and Khaki shirts, just like we saw in photos of them on liberty.

Think you maybe right on the carrier visits, most of the East Coast Essex Class put into Boston at one time or another, but thought I remember reading the Forrestal had paid Beantown a visit or two??


Mike Kaup Monday, May 23, 2005 at 21:55:32     4.178.54.172
Craig Martin, I think the most interesting thing about the Komandorski battle was that it was one of the few daylight naval battles without any air cover whatsoever and yet it was the FEAR of air cover which caused the Japanese commander to break off action.
Jake Monday, May 23, 2005 at 21:51:43     24.131.173.235
oops Hi Mike
Jake Monday, May 23, 2005 at 21:51:23     24.131.173.235
Hi Dave
Ed 10975 Monday, May 23, 2005 at 20:18:25     12.76.172.83
Jake - The JFK has visited Boston several times over the years, in fact I can't remember the last carrier that visited here. Might go back to the days of the Essex class when Wasp, Essex, Leyte and others were still active.
Lines to visit the ship were 3 hours long both days. Boston is still a Navy town in spite of Nixon closing everything down.
Marines were wearing green trench type coats and white covers - so I can't tell what they had on.
Richard D. Jones Monday, May 23, 2005 at 19:08:23     70.118.87.25
Heading for Seattle tomorrow afternoon. Will go to Mount Rainier then down the coast to Tillamock OR for a look at the former NAS and blimp hangers. Then over to Clackamas for Convention.
Dave Kent Monday, May 23, 2005 at 18:32:37     68.9.249.147
I'm buying drinks in the hospitality room Thursday night for everyone who shows up.
SteveS Monday, May 23, 2005 at 17:22:05     65.213.44.9
I'm raising my hand.
lbbrennan Monday, May 23, 2005 at 15:15:20     38.117.188.10
Craig, Is that from a unit commendation or individual award. I assume it's from a PUC. Larry
Gregory A. Mews Monday, May 23, 2005 at 13:45:59     65.26.213.150
The first Littoral Combat Ship (LCS-1) will have its Keel Laying Ceremony June 2nd at Marinette, Wisconsin at the Marinette Marine Corp. Recently the Navy decided to name the LCS---Freedom.
Craig Martin Monday, May 23, 2005 at 12:48:27     24.250.12.171
BBL
Craig Martin Monday, May 23, 2005 at 12:41:20     24.250.12.171
Darn, Dave, I desperately wanna raise both hands, but...
Craig Martin Monday, May 23, 2005 at 12:39:28     24.250.12.171
RE: BAILEY. I was in error when I stated that NACHI did little damage when it hit BAILEY w/ 8" shells. It did a great amount of damage.

Here's the text of the Commendation:

“For outstanding heroism in action against enemy Japanese forces off Komandorski Islands, Bearing Sea, on March 26, 1943. With the only heavy cruiser of our small task force dead in the water following a fierce three-and-one-half-hour battle, the U.S.S. BAILEY led a determined torpedo attack against the superior Japanese surface force which was still closing our ships. Unprotected by friendly aircraft and without benefit of darkness or a smoke screen, she steamed forward at maximum speed, leading two other destroyers through a heavy barrage of hostile gunfire and concentrating her fire on the enemy’s leading heavy cruiser. Struck in rapid succession by two 8-inch shells and damaged by numerous near hits as she closed to within 9,000 yards, she launched five torpedoes and turned to retire just before two additional shell hits flooded her and rendered one engine inoperative. The only destroyer to release her torpedoes, the BAILEY succeeded in damaging one heavy cruiser and in turning back an overwhelming enemy force at the most crucial point of the battle. Her meritorious record of achievement is evidence of her own readiness for combat and the gallantry and seamanship of her officers and men.”


Dave Kent Monday, May 23, 2005 at 12:36:09     68.9.249.147
Everyone who's going to Portland, Oregon for the convention raise your hand.
Tom A Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 22:02:03     24.113.108.224
Parche. I was there and did covers for the decom.
Just about all the ships/boats have a COC and let the XO take over while the CO moves up in the world and not stuck on a dead boat.
The nuc boats have a decomm but there is a crew of about 40 or so to stand brow watch and watch the RC (Control) untill the rods are removed. When the last rod is removed from the RC then the crew goes away.
The boats are stripped as soon as they arrive and the crew works and live out of a barge.

See you in Portland. Tom Armstrong
PS I'm bring many covers, booklets and some plaques. 3 hour drive from here.


Jake Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 19:03:38     24.131.173.235
Ed D.

Must have been a great site seeing her come in.!!
Were the Marines in Dress Blue, or Greens??

From what I saw on the tube, looks like they had a real big turn out on visitors?


Dave Kent Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 16:24:30     68.9.249.147
Next Nathan Hale meeting is Sunday June 5 at the firehouse in Chesterfield, Conn. Chesterfield is on Route 85 south of Salem Four Corners, and it's not much more than a crossroads with the firehouse on one corner. We meet at 2:00 p.m. in the classroom at the south end of the building. Everyone's welcome!
Mark Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 00:22:34     66.58.131.250
USCS May "Log" arrives in Anchorage, Alaska...
Craig Martin Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 22:30:25     24.250.12.171
BTW, when and where is the next meeting for Nathan Hale? I'd like to go, if possible.
Craig Martin Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 22:26:29     24.250.12.171
Dave, thank you very much for the info.
Dave Kent Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 19:23:46     68.9.249.147
Some years ago I acquired an accumulation of thousands of penalty covers mailed during 1944 to a Navy office in New York. It was instructive to look through it. From the many machine cancels on covers from ships that we know had post offices but not a machine, it became obvious that a huge number of war-time covers were NOT canceled on the ship from which they were mailed.
Dave Kent Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 19:21:27     68.9.249.147
Only one craft as small as a destroyer ever had a cancelling machine. They were only used on larger ships and shore bases. This is a type 7dz, the "d" meaning straight line killers rather than wavy lines. The middle bar is missing and probably had some wording in it that was cut out for wartime security. It doesn't look familiar and I can't guess where it may have been used.
For years the Portsmouth Naval Base had a machine cancel with killers in the form of a box with "NAVAL BASE BR." in it. During the war they removed the dial and replaced it with a "US NAVY" dial, but left the killer box as is. It's a very distinctive cancel.
Craig Martin Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 18:26:55     24.250.12.171
Submitted for your approval...

A machine cancel from DD-492 USS BAILEY 10/29/43.

http://members.cox.net/clmartin1/USSBailey.jpg

Can't find this cancel in the Cat. I'm assuming that it was not cancelled on the ship, but on land. What kind of machine cancel is it? A variety of a type 7?

BAILEY has an interesting story. On March 26, 1943, in the Battle of the Komondorski Islands in the Aleutians, it chased down the Japanese cruiser NACHI and exchanged gunfire with it! NACHI hit BAILEY with 8" shells, but did not do any significant damage. BAILEY hit NACHI with 5" shells, but Morison's account does not specify the damage inflicted. (from Samuel Eliot Morison, "Aleutians, Gilberts and Marshalls, June 1942-April 1944" [Vol. VII, History of US Naval Operations in World War II]) BAILEY was awarded a Navy Unit Commendation for this action.


Ed 10975 Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 17:44:39     12.76.173.139
Jake - The JFK is over at the old South Boston Naval Annex where the Wasp used to dock - too big to get into Charlestown. But a lot of the crew are around here, visiting Old Ironsides I guess. When she came in the Marine Unit was 'manning the rails' rather than the crew, at least on the port side. Different.
Craig Martin Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 17:33:03     24.250.12.171
Hi Don.
Craig Martin Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 17:32:42     24.250.12.171
Yeah Roger, I really wanna go to one of the conventions, too. One of these years...
Roger Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 16:35:45     69.40.25.227
Don't know who sent them to me, but I received today a very nice USS JIMMY CARTER Commissioning booklet, sticker, patch, and Welcome Aboard booklet. Whoever you were, thank you!
Roger Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 16:32:32     69.40.25.227
I hope all of you who are going to the convention find lots of new covers for your collections. I can not attend this year, due to my new job schedule. Drats!
Roger Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 16:30:58     69.40.25.227
Richard Jones,
Thanks for the info on BALTOPS.
Chas Henry Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 14:33:21     64.168.104.154
Here's an interesting item - a guy in our local STAMP CLUB, a diligent searcher of the 2c boxes, recently came up with a "12 perf" John Paul Jones stamp (Scott 1789B)...Expertized at about #3,500 right now...
Richard D. Jones Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 00:51:47     70.118.87.25
More than 800 Sailors aboard the guided-missile cruiser USS Anzio (CG 68) and the guided-missile destroyer USS Cole (DDG 67), both homeported at Naval Station Norfolk, and amphibious troop transport USS Tortuga (LSD 46), homeported at Little Creek Amphibious Base, deployed May 20 in support of the 33rd annual maritime exercise Baltic Operations (BALTOPS) 2005.
Jake Friday, May 20, 2005 at 21:15:22     24.131.173.235
Hi Ed & Richard

Ed you got a big week end up there with the JFK in port


Dan Friday, May 20, 2005 at 17:19:23     24.25.181.25
I hate paying taxes but freedom is never free. I would rather pay more taxes and keep our bases open.
Dan Friday, May 20, 2005 at 17:17:39     24.25.181.25
Some of us remember that during WW2 the Germans landed spies along the Maine coast. Without a military presence, terrorists could infiltrate with little or no problem. Look how easy it was for 911 Mohammed Atta (sp?) to slip through security and onto a plane in Portland, Maine,
lbbrennan Friday, May 20, 2005 at 17:09:24     38.117.188.10
The conventionally powered aircraft carrier USS John F. Kennedy (CV 67) makes her way into historic Boston Harbor as crew members are in formation on the flight deck to spell-out "JACK IS BACK”. Kennedy Sailors, and embarked Marines assigned to Marine Expeditionary Unit Two Four (MEU 24), man-the-rails as the ship pulls into port. Kennedy and the 24th MEU are in Boston, Massachusetts for a scheduled port visit.
lbbrennan Friday, May 20, 2005 at 17:08:43     38.117.188.10
Dave, I hope that the Canadian border remains secure since we're guarding the Mexican front.
Dave Kent Friday, May 20, 2005 at 14:25:42     68.9.249.147
Indeed: as BRAC authors recommend that we concentrate all of our military resources in a few places, we might ask Admiral Kimmel and General Short if that was a wise idea.
lbbrennan Friday, May 20, 2005 at 12:35:37     38.117.188.10
Len, Read the Republican dissents to the joint congressional inquiry after WWII, published recently in paperback in London. It's clear that FDR knew something was coming, wanted the US to the first strike, to avoid being labeled as an agressor. Interesting how that concept of international law has disappeared recently and few remember it's historic importance. There is no direct proof that FDR or others knew that the attack was aimed at Pearl Harbor but still pleanty of culpability to go around. Why were the torpedo blisters in OKLAHOMA left open a few weeks after the "war warning message". This is what caused her to capsize with catastrophic loss of life. If the folks in charge at Pearl Harbor had the warrior spirit they wouldn't have opened her up for routine inspection.
lbbrennan Friday, May 20, 2005 at 12:32:01     38.117.188.10
Drew and his co-authors were interesting and pleasant people. I attended a book award ceremony where they spoke and they were patient and friendly. He probably has done some other submarine reporting before BLINDMAN'S BLUFF.

Rich,

You're right but PA went the wrong way last year in the national elections. I have some cautious optimism that WG JRB can survive and think that it should. It's sad to watch the military abandon the Northeast, where the primary targets of terrorists remain. Also, I cannot understand the continued concentration of government resources and personnel in the Beltway. Putting all your eggs in a small basket is not the best way, just like putting all the feet in a few concentrated centers. The BRAC hearings on CSPAN are interesting. If PA can't keep a base open is there any hope?


pacoastie@verizon.net Friday, May 20, 2005 at 10:28:10     66.153.33.254
Larry B.: Pennsylvania is a Double R state, but votes D. Guess that's why we lost the Philadelphia Navy Yard and now will loose Willow Grove NAS. I saw Sen. Alren Specter on hearings in the past few days on C Span, and he does not look very well, hair missing, thin. I doubt that he will have the health needed to give BRAC a fight to save WG NAS. Hope I am wrong.
Duane Wilson Friday, May 20, 2005 at 10:14:08     204.124.93.249
Len, Certainly FDR knew that some sort of confrontation with Japan was imminent. To suggest however that he knew about the Pearl Harbor attack in advance and just let it happen is a load of crap.
pacoastie@verizon.net Friday, May 20, 2005 at 10:13:29     66.153.33.254
Was Mr. Drew the writer who wrote the book about the spook boats? Seems he has the beginnings of another book. For those who got the recent 'Newseyletters" you have a copy of a first hand report of what was going on in 711 from the lips of a crew member.
lbbrennan Friday, May 20, 2005 at 09:19:51     216.9.250.63
Hi Dave
lbbrennan Friday, May 20, 2005 at 09:18:45     216.9.250.63
Waiting for news from Oregon
lbbrennan Friday, May 20, 2005 at 08:12:54     216.9.250.63
Quiet 13 houra
lbbrennan Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 22:32:39     216.9.250.62
Dave glad you enjoyed
e sink Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 19:50:14     68.85.255.77
FREE franks received yesterday from PONCE (nice type 2,and cachet on front, nice type 9 on back ) and today from NORMANDY (nice type 2 but no cachet and a "rough" type 9 on back); both postmarked 28 APR. Richard, want scans?
Ed 10975 Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 19:41:28     12.76.173.243
USS John F Kennedy CV67 arrived in Boston today as part of her farewell cruise complete with a Marine Unit fresh from Iraq aboard in place of the Air Wing. Only about 4 helicopters and one FA18 were aboard. Her next stop is NY Fleet Week next week.

Saturday is Armed Forces Day.


Dave Kent Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 19:25:22     68.9.249.147
Larry: thanks for the long story. You have to sign up to gain access to the Times' website, something I am reluctant to do, and I couldn't have seen the story otherwise.
Len Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 18:21:24     207.200.116.138
Did FDR know about the attack on Pearl Harbor before it occurred? This is the thesis of Stennets book. Thanks, Len
Jake Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 17:27:37     24.131.173.235
Stew

The Seabee is at Memorial Chapel in Davisville,R.I
The have made a nice memorial park there.
Davisville is near Quonset Pt.
Davisville was the original Home of the Seabees
You can read more about it here
http://www.nsva.org/Davisville.htm
As well as seeing the BEE under construction
Here isanother site with better photos on the Seabee Park at Davisville
http://www.seabeesmuseum.org/


lbbrennan Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 16:15:43     38.117.188.10
I'm reluctant to post such a large message but I think our members will be interested in this thorough and well-written account of the survival of SAN FRANSISCO.

New York Times
May 18, 2005
Pg. 1
Adrift 500 Feet Under The Sea, A Minute Was An Eternity
By Christopher Drew
APRA HARBOR, Guam, May 16 - Blood was everywhere. Sailors lay sprawled across the floor, several of them unconscious, others simply dazed. Even the captain was asking, "What just happened?" All anyone knew for sure was that the nuclear-powered attack submarine had slammed head-on into something solid and very large, and that it had to get to the surface fast.

In the control room, a senior enlisted man shoved the "chicken switches," blowing high-pressure air through the ballast tanks to force the vessel upward. Usually, the submarine would respond at once. But as the captain, Cmdr. Kevin G. Mooney, and top officers stared at the depth gauge, the needle refused to budge.

Moments before, they had been slipping quiet and fast through the Pacific. Now, they were stuck, more than 500 feet down.

Ten seconds passed. Then 20, 30.
"I thought I was going to die," Commander Mooney recalled.
It would be close to a minute, but an excruciatingly long minute, before the submarine's mangled nose began to rise, before the entire control room exhaled in relief, before the diving officer, Chief Petty Officer Danny R. Hager, began to read out a succession of shallower depths.

"I don't know how long it was," Chief Hager said, "but it seemed like forever."
Last week, Navy investigators reported that a series of mistakes at sea and onshore caused the 6,900-ton submarine, the San Francisco, to run into an undersea mountain not on its navigational charts. One crewman was killed, 98 others were injured, and the captain and three other officers were relieved of their duties as a result of the Jan. 8 crash, one of the worst on an American submarine since the 1960's.

But what is becoming clear only now, from the first interviews with Commander Mooney and 15 other officers and enlisted men, as well as a review of Navy reports, is how much worse it nearly was, and how close the San Francisco came to being lost.

The submarine crashed at top speed - 33 knots, or roughly 38 miles an hour - about 360 miles southeast of Guam. The impact punched huge holes in the forward ballast tanks, so the air being blown into them was no match for the ocean pouring in. The throttles shut, and the vessel briefly lost propulsion. As the emergency blow caught hold, mainly in the rear tanks, the sub was just drifting in the deep, its bow pointing down.

Luckily, the thick inner hull protecting the nuclear reactor and the crew's quarters held. But within was pandemonium - bodies pinballing, heads striking steel in the warren of lethally sharp surfaces in impossibly tight spaces. There was so much blood on the instruments and on the control-room floor that the place, Chief Hager said, "looked like a slaughterhouse."

Then chaos gave way to improvised heroism and a perilous, and finally futile, effort to rescue the most grievously injured sailor.

The merely battered ministered to the badly hurt, turning the mess hall and the officers' wardroom into instant clinics, ripping off shirts to use as tourniquets and creating splints from cleaning brushes. When they realized that the only hope for the dying man, a young machinist's mate named Joseph A. Ashley, was to get to a hospital, sailors cut off railings and fixtures to thread his stretcher through narrow areas. They then rigged pulleys in an effort to hoist him through the sail, at the top of the submarine, and onto a helicopter hovering just above.

To avoid detection, submarines travel silent and largely blind, relying heavily on charts, and their interpreters, to navigate the undersea landscape. The meeting of this submarine and that mountain beneath the Pacific was in many ways a stroke of hauntingly rare bad luck: everyone relied on the one chart, from a panoply of them, that lacked even a hint of the looming danger. But the submarine's fate was also the result of a confluence of simple shipboard errors.

The Navy has placed the blame on the captain and the crew, and Commander Mooney says, "I accept full responsibility." He acknowledges several critical mistakes, including going too fast, taking insufficient depth soundings and failing to cross-check the route with other charts.

Yet the fact that those errors happened on a boat with a highly rated commander suggests a more nuanced calculus of responsibility, raising questions about the relatively primitive state of undersea charting and the training and support of submariners.

Petty Officer Ashley's father, Daniel L. Ashley, a Navy veteran, refuses to let the Navy off the hook. Sitting in his home outside Akron, Ohio, one recent morning, with a memorial of flags and photographs on the family organ, Mr. Ashley said he had forgiven Commander Mooney and the crew.

"I know what these men have to live with for the rest of their lives," he said. "I feel the same pain."
But if the Navy's systems for supporting submarines had not also broken down, he said, "this would not have happened, and my son would be alive today."

A Normal Saturday
As the San Francisco prepared to shove off in early January, spirits were high. Since taking over in December 2003, Commander Mooney had pushed his 136 sailors through four months of repairs and two intelligence missions. The San Francisco, previously known as a troubled boat, was winning praise in the Navy as a "Cinderella story."

Now the submarine was headed for Brisbane, Australia, and its first liberty stop under the 40-year-old captain, a graduate of Duke University and a submarine officer for 19 years. One thing, though, was bothering him, he recalled: the basic routing instructions seemed to be late. So he told his navigators to call the Seventh Fleet in Japan and hurry them along.

The goal of the routings was to ensure that no other Navy ship would cross the submarine's path, and they laid out a wide track to follow. But some officers had come to view these navigational guides as suggesting a measure of safety. And as the San Francisco left here on Friday, Jan. 7, the team plotting the precise route within that track focused on a single set of charts that, Navy officials agree, usually gave the most detailed view of the seabed.

Since submarines generally do not use active sonar, with its telltale pings, a good picture can be critical in avoiding mountain ranges rising from the seabed. Relying on charts, though, has always been somewhat hit or miss. Only 10 percent of the oceans have been charted by Navy survey ships. Many charts only include obstacles spotted by warships, commercial vessels or even 18th-century explorers like Captain Cook.

One poorly charted area was south of Guam, where the Navy started basing subs in 2002. So by Saturday morning, when the San Francisco entered the Caroline Islands mountain chain, there had been talk of special precautions among some of the men. But to the plotting team, the winding route down to Australia looked wide open.

To the rest of the crew, it was just a normal Saturday, which meant cleaning the boat. Lunch began at 11 a.m. - hamburgers, French fries, baked beans - and at 11:25 Commander Mooney went to the wardroom, where the officers ate. The crew's work shift changed five minutes later, and when a line formed outside the mess, several men, including Petty Officer Ashley, decided to have a smoke first in the vessel's tail.

Sailors said this was typical of Petty Officer Ashley, 24, an unabashed country boy who loved motorcycles, Jeeps and the boat's diesel engine, which he cared for.

His nickname was Cooter, after a mechanic on the old television show "Dukes of Hazzard." He was also known for his wicked Michael Jackson imitation, which one sailor called "moonwalking in cowboy boots."

That afternoon, the plan was to slow down for drills, so with everything humming along, Lt. Cmdr. Bruce L. Carlton, the navigation officer driving the submarine, decided to get ahead of schedule by bumping up to full speed and going deeper.

A sounding taken at 11:30 a.m. confirmed what was on the charts - the ocean was 6,000 feet deep there - and the submarine began to glide down to 500 feet from 400 feet. At 11:38, a decision was made to go to 525 feet, and a junior officer recommended another sounding. But Commander Carlton did not think that was necessary, the Navy reports indicate, and none was made.

Blood and Chaos
Chief Hager, wry and wiry at 39, unbuckled his seat belt and hopped up to jot a note on a card taped to the jet-black control panel. Suddenly - it was just after 11:42 - he felt his grip on a drawer handle tighten as the submarine shuddered.

Then "came the real deal," he said, a thunderous blast and what felt like a warp-speed gale whipping through the submarine as it froze in its tracks.

The force spun his body around - like Spiderman twisting against a wall, he said - and his hand punched through a plexiglass gauge cover. His seat ripped out of its runners and crushed his leg. Then one of the quartermasters, who had been monitoring the charts 15 feet away, came catapulting into view. He ended up knocked out on the floor, blood pouring from his forehead.

A few feet away, three more men were unconscious. One - the junior officer who had just suggested the extra sounding - was bleeding from his head and leg, and could hardly breathe. Commander Carlton, who was still in charge, had been thrown into a passageway, and blood streamed from the right side of his face as he scrambled back to the command center.

In the wardroom, Commander Mooney had been pinned into his seat, while a cook came over his shoulder and crashed into a television screen 10 feet away, cracking it in two places. Within seconds, the captain was rushing up a ladder to the control room, where the effort to blow the submarine to the surface had just begun.

Hundreds of papers that had popped out of binders were streaking dark red on the floor, and the microphones were crackling with injury reports. By 11:44, the submarine had finally broken the surface, with the captain scanning through a periscope. No ships. No wreckage. Nothing.

"I realized at that point that we had survived a collision with the bottom that was just unbelievable," Commander Mooney said. But, he said, he "literally had no idea" what it was doing there.

And no time to figure it out: there were also serious injuries in the crew's mess, the engine rooms and the smoking room - the other relatively open areas where men had gone flying. From the bridge atop the sail, Commander Carlton could see that the bow was damaged, raising fears of flooding.

"We were in shock," Commander Mooney said. But everyone was running on instinct and training. Damage-control parties quickly reported that the inner hull was intact, the torpedoes and cruise missiles unscathed. The captain radioed for help and turned the boat back toward Guam. In the stern, men began bringing the injured forward, toward the wardroom and the mess.

In the smoking room, Petty Officer Ashley had been thrown about 20 feet, fracturing his skull against either metal equipment or a bulkhead doorjamb. Two sailors crouched over him.

"I didn't know what to do," said one of them, Bryan Barnes, a 22-year-old electrician's mate. "So I just held his hand and talked to him until doc came back."

When "doc," the ship's medic, James H. Akin, arrived, he knew instantly that they had to get Petty Officer Ashley off the boat.

Racing to Save a Life
A submarine at sea is a self-contained world in a steel bubble. One thing it does not have, though, is a doctor; the medic, an enlisted man with basic medical training, handles the run of everyday illness and injury. Now, in a full-out emergency, the medic's first job was to get Petty Officer Ashley immobilized on a stretcher so he could be carried to the crew's mess.

There, the chief of the boat, William Cramer, the senior enlisted man, was commanding the cleanup. His men unfurled large rolls of terry cloth to sop up the slippery goo of blood and capsized lunch, and shoved the broken plates and glasses into the galley. In the wardroom, Lt. Craig E. Litty, himself a former medic, quickly set up a triage center, where he helped bandage most of the injured men.

Corpsman Akin, at 6 foot 4 and 280 pounds the largest man onboard, set up his medical supplies on the salad bar in the mess. He stitched up the men with the worst lacerations. And he tried to keep Petty Officer Ashley alive.

The medic says he knew he was probably nursing a dying man. Still, Petty Officer Ashley held on. For 21 hours, Corpsman Akin monitored his vital signs, kept his air passages clear, and gave him oxygen and morphine. Sailors took turns holding his hand. At one point, someone brought in a CD player and put on some Hank Williams Jr.

The first rescue ship, the Coast Guard cutter Galveston Island, arrived at 4:30 a.m. on Sunday. But by then, squalls had moved in, and it seemed too dangerous to try to shuttle Petty Officer Ashley over in a small boat.

The alternative seemed hardly less daring: using a helicopter to lift the wounded man and his stretcher out of a hatch on the top of the submarine's sail.

By now, a second ship, the Stockham, had arrived. It carried more doctors and two helicopters. Around 9 a.m., as one of the helicopters hovered 10 to 15 feet above the submarine, it dangled a doctor and a corpsman into the submarine to help prepare Petty Officer Ashley for the move. The pilots had to rely on a spotter in back to keep the copter clear of the pitching submarine.

"He was giving drift calls, saying 'Cut left,' 'Come right,' 'You're getting too close,' " said one of the pilots, Ricke Harris.

Inside the submarine, Chief Cramer ordered a path cleared for the stretcher. Several men unbolted or cut off ladder railings and lockers. By late morning, men were stationed in doorways and stairwells to pass the stretcher along; one even crawled underneath and supported the stretcher on his back through the narrowest spots.

They climbed up one level and under the sail, and then another group took over, heaving on a rope and pulley to lift the stretcher up the 25-foot sail. The first effort failed when Petty Officer Ashley's breathing tube came loose. With his condition deteriorating, a second try made it to the top.

That was when the men had an awful realization: the hatch atop the sail did not quite open the full 90 degrees. No matter how much they tried, angling this way and that, the stretcher would not slip through.

A surgeon, Chris Cook, was then lowered by cable from the copter. But Petty Officer Ashley's heart stopped, and the men began CPR. Half an hour later, at 1:11 p.m., Dr. Cook pronounced him dead. Still, one of the sailors kept pounding.

"I looked at him and said, 'We're sorry,' " Dr. Cook recalled. " 'There's nothing more we can do.' "
Hard Lessons
When the San Francisco pulled into Guam on Jan. 10, its bow slinking low in the water, the flags on other submarines were at half-mast, their crews lining the decks in tribute.

Looking at a picture of that moment, Commander Mooney speaks with pride of the way his crew brought the boat home. But an image discovered on the voyage back also remains seared in his mind, he says, one that helped seal his dismissal and spark broader questions about the Navy's navigational training and support.

That image is a small, light-blue circle on a white background. It signifies a potential hazard two to three miles from where the San Francisco crashed - close enough, Commander Mooney says, that if he had known about it, he would have tried to skirt the area or asked for a new routing. Charting experts now believe that hazard was the mountain, and that its location was imprecisely reported in the days before satellites made navigational fixes more precise.

Commander Mooney said he first heard about the hazard from his boss onshore a few hours after the grounding. It is, in fact, on every chart of the area except for the one that the boat was using - the one that usually provided the most detailed picture of the seabed contours.

That revelation has been embarrassing to the Navy and the Pentagon office that prepares the charts. Moreover, investigators have found that the officer who gave the submarine its basic routing also relied only on that one chart.

Under Navy rules, the captain and his crew are solely responsible for the safety of their ship. After all, in wartime, submarines must operate without help from shore.

The captain acknowledged that he and his crew should have cross-checked the charts. But some of his officers say it was common to grab what seemed the best chart and run down the center of the basic track, as the San Francisco did. They also said they were not alone in believing that the routings were based on more substantial navigation checks. "I look at it as just a lot of really bad luck," said Lt. Cmdr. Rick Boneau, the San Francisco's executive officer.

Commander Boneau, Commander Carlton and an assistant navigator were relieved of their duties, and three enlisted men were reprimanded. Commander Carlton did not respond to requests for comment.

But Navy reports have found that the sea charts are not updated frequently enough and that the routings are often delivered late, limiting the time for onboard navigation checks. The accident has also stirred concerns - dating back to the advent of nuclear submarines under the legendary admiral Hyman G. Rickover - that Navy training places more emphasis on engineering than on skills like navigation.

The approach to keeping the reactor safe is to build in redundant checks and test sailors constantly. But even though inspections had found some navigation deficiencies on the San Francisco in 2004, the reports said, squadron officials in Guam did nothing to make sure the problems had been fixed.

Since the accident, the Navy has briefed hundreds of officers on the lessons to be drawn. Capt. Matt Brown, the spokesman for the Pacific Fleet, said the Navy is also looking at other changes to improve safety.

Some of the younger sailors said they had not realized how close they had come to dying until they saw the San Francisco's mutilated bow at the dry dock here.

"Your jaw just kind of dropped open, and you wondered why you were still alive," said Mr. Barnes, the electrician's mate who held Joseph Ashley's hand right after the collision. As many as 10 sailors have asked not to return to submarine duty.

Commander Mooney is working a desk job until he can retire next year. Last month he visited Petty Officer Ashley's grave in a family plot on a hillside in West Virginia. The captain and the sailor's father said a prayer together as they placed a Navy marker by the grave. They embraced.

Then, the captain left one final offering - his command star, buried in the dirt.



Craig Martin Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 14:22:33     24.250.12.171
BTW, Stewart, I lived about 1/4 mile from the train tracks in Hesperia. Yes, I miss those trains. It was the main UP/Santa Fe line to east, and very, very active.
Craig Martin Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 14:17:09     24.250.12.171
Adelanto is a small town on Hwy. 395, just outside of Victorville. The State of California had to step in in the mid-80s and revoke the city charter, a first in CA history. It was simply rife with corruption that never went away. The joke was that there were no honest citizens in Adelanto.
Craig Martin Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 14:09:39     24.250.12.171
Mike K -

There's a ton of those shafts all over the Mojave. If you ever want a very nice trip, go north up Hwy 395 and stop at Randsburg/Red Mountain- Shafts, abandoned mining, equipment laying everywhere- very interesting place. Further north is Owens Valley, home of Manzanar. My brother and I visited in 1994, but not much was there. Now they've begun to restore it, so it may be worth visiting.


Chas Henry Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 13:59:12     64.168.104.154
Hi Craig - Hope you're feeling OK - What's Adelanto?
Craig Martin Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 13:54:56     24.250.12.171
Hi Chas
lbbrennan Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 08:28:37     216.9.250.63
Stew I think the fighting bee is near Newport but not St quonset pt
lbbrennan Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 08:26:24     216.9.250.62
Mike good luck surgeons like their patients to be quiet and anesthesized Doesn't sound like fun
Jake Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 01:59:15     24.131.173.235
Stew

Larry B. was right on "Stingers" being the 59th nickname.

Think I said before my dad was a Seabee during WWII, but was never in a combat area. His younger brother not so lucky, he lots of combat all over the Pacific with a Navy torpedo squadron of TBFs he flew as an aerial gunner on the "Stinger Gun" so called because of its location,aft belly just behind the bomb bay, looked just like a stinger on a bee, also would some times double as radio operator.
He like my dad returned to us safely after the war.


Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 01:21:37     12.72.121.33
Jake - thanks for the info.

Dorothy and I are leaving for Portland OR tomorrow morning at 6 AM. Once the convention is over, we will be in NY (June 1st). All mail is now being forwarded to Bklyn where it will be held until I pick it up.

The Sales Circuit will resume operations in Bklyn as soon as I unpack everything from the PO Box and the convention.


Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 01:18:02     12.72.121.33
Hi Jake.
Jake Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 00:36:40     24.131.173.235
Stewart M.

Here is a brief write up on the Seabee unit you were asking about


59th NCB

Commissioned at Norfolk, Va., on Dec. 29, 1942, the 59th Battalion left Norfolk Feb. 28, 1943 and arrived at Hueneme on March 4. Leaving there March 21, the outfit sailed from San Francisco March 24 and arrived at Hilo, Hawaii, March 30. The Battalion operated at Kanuela, Hawaii, until April 20, 1944. Returning to Pearl Harbor the next day, the Battalion sailed for Guam in three echelons, leaving June 1, June 6 and June 18. The first echelon landed on Guam on July 27, with the remaining units landing on July 30, Aug. 2, 3, 10, 14 and 18. War's end found them still stationed on Guam


Larry LaFoe Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 23:52:52     68.57.210.254
Auction # 8 is online and will begin at 8:00 a.m. EDT on Thursday, May 19, 2005 and will end promptly at 8:00 p.m. EDT on Monday, May 23, 2005.

U.S. Byrd Covers - Lots 1849 - 1863

U.S. Arctic Covers - Lots 1864 - 1873

U.S. Polar Covers - Lots 1874 - 1881

U.S. Antarctica Covers - Lots 1882 - 1950

U.S. Polar First Day Covers - Lots 1951 - 1968

Foreign Polar Covers - Lots 1969 - 1971

"On Eternal Patrol" Covers - Lots 1972 - 1989

Submarine Covers - Lots 1990 - 1998

Naval Covers - Lots 1999 - 2000



http://navalpostalhistory.com/subcoverauctions.htm



Remember... in case of tie bids, the bidder with the earliest time stamp wins the lot... Bid Early!

Please forward this e-mail to other cover collectors.
Mike Kaup Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 22:32:20     4.178.255.68
Craig, I have had kidney stones my entire life. I had a transplant last year because my kidneys failed from too many stones and surgeries. I hope they can sound blast yours if it doesn't drop as that works pretty well on the small ones. I had two really big ones ( about an inch in diameter) removed through a tube through my back after mechanically breaking them up inside the kidney. Lots of fun. If the shaft in the desrt was a well or mineshaft why would the spoils not be in evidence! I thing it was military but can't understand why it hadn't been filled back up after it was no longer of any use. I notified the police so they could mark it and get it filled. Anyone who fell in would die there as it couldn't be seen 70 feet away. Two days ago I had a chat while waiting for medical testing with a vet from the USS Hornet (CV3).He was on her from day one until she sank It's always such a pleasure to meet these guys!!!
Dave Kent Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 21:57:57     68.9.249.147
Some websites claim she was sunk with secret ex-Soviet weapons. No press representatives were allowed to view the sinking. Reportedly the Navy doesn't want anyone to know how to sink a supercarrier.
Your next assignment is to find her official strike date. There are several of them floating around, and I don't think the one on the Naval Vessel Register is correct.
Richard D. Jones Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 21:23:01     70.118.86.156
Navy Times reports the carrier America now lies beneath the surface of the Atlantic, scuttled by the Navy.

Pat Dolan, a spokesman for Naval Sea Systems Command in Washington, DC, confirmed the “controlled” sinking took place at approximately 11:30 a.m. on May 14.


Dave Kent Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 17:39:30     68.9.249.147
Craig: a kidney stone is no joke. Hope they removed it and you are doing better. I'm sure your spine surgeon understands.
Craig Martin Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 16:31:17     24.250.12.171
Richard, does your wife collects covers, as well?
Craig Martin Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 16:25:49     24.250.12.171
Mike K- I'm inclined to still think it is part of a mine. It could have been a ventilation shaft, but it seems too big. Or, maybe a well. The water table is very high in the High Desert around Hesperia and the Cajon Pass.

As Stewart mentioned, the High Desert does have great weather year round. Too bad it is full of lunatics. If you ever saw Terminator II, the part where Linda Hamilton's eccentric friend was staying in an Airstream trailer on a lot surrounded by broken down vehicles, tires, and junk is an all too familiar sight in the High Desert. In fact, that scene was filmed in Lucerne Valley, a notorious haven for drug dealers, meth labs, bad bikers, loners and freaks. However, it doesn't begin to rival Adelanto.


Craig Martin Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 15:58:07     24.250.12.171
Well guys, a not-so-funny thing happened on the way to back surgery ... At 2am Tuesday morn I woke my wife telling her I had tremendous pain in my side. It turned out to be a 7mm kidney stone. Talk about pain. I was scheduled for surgery at 6am Weds. Can you imagine how upset the spine surgeon was? I think I better get another surgeon.
lbbrennan Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 14:35:04     70.111.156.86
Stewart,

Don't know about the specifics but I've seen some SeeBee stuff with "bees", as in bumble bees and the like, dressed up as sailors and SeeBees, with exaggerated stingers. Perhaps it was the nickname of the 59th NCB. I really know little about SeeBee stuff.


lbbrennan Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 14:33:45     70.111.156.86
Dave, I think MOUNT WHITNEY, and possibly BLUE RIDGE, have used the JCC/LCC hull designation before. I think that it is informal and "JCC" means "Joint Command and Control", not "Jewish Community Center." Jointness is everything these days as we drink from the purple koolaid.
Dave Kent Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 12:29:19     68.9.249.147
Larry, what's "JCC" as MOUNT WHITNEY's hull designation? I've never seen this before.
Stewart B. Milstein Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 10:29:04     12.72.120.228
There is a gripping story on the effort to save the SF after the collision. It can be read at www.nytimes.com.
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 22:11:44     12.72.120.60
I acquired a cover from the 59th NCB (Seabees) cancelled US Navy, Jan 17, 1944. In the killer bars is the statement, THE STINGERS." Does anyone know anything about this?
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 22:10:15     12.72.120.60
Gentlemen, good evening.
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 17:10:59     38.117.188.10
USS Mount Whitney Underway for NATO’s Allied Action

GAETA, Italy (NNS) -- USS Mount Whitney (LCC/JCC 20) got underway May 17 to conduct certification exercises with NATO’s Joint Command Lisbon battle staff embarked.

The exercise, Allied Action 05, is a command post exercise to practice the procedures for planning and mounting an operation based on the NATO Response Force (NRF) and Combined Joint Task Force (CJTF) concepts.

This is the first operational exercise Mount Whitney is supporting since taking over as the U.S. 6th Fleet and NATO command ship. As one of the most sophisticated Command, Control, Communications, Computer, and Intelligence (C4I) ships ever commissioned, Mount Whitney incorporates various elements of the most advanced C4I equipment. This support provides the embarked commander the capability to effectively and reliably communicate with assigned forces.

“The ship stands ready to once again demonstrate our ability to serve as a state-of-the-art command and control platform for an embarked NATO battle staff,” explained Capt. Ladd Wheeler, commanding officer of Mount Whitney. “With our hybrid USN Sailor/civilian mariner crew as a backdrop, this ship is truly operating as one team to bring increased capability to the 6th Fleet area of operation.”

Mount Whitney deployed to the European theater with a new hybrid crew that includes 300 total personnel, including 157 U.S. Navy Sailors and 143 MSC civilian mariners (CIVMARS) – down from the 576 Sailor billets previously manning the ship. By supplementing the crew with CIVMARs, the Navy is operating the command ship at a reduced cost and employing captured uniformed personnel billets on forward combatant vessels.

"This is a great opportunity for us to help Joint Command Lisbon receive its NRF certification, because communications will play a big role in the success of the exercise," said Information Systems Technician 2nd Class (SW) Rachelle P. Larsen, a technician in the ship's computer information systems department.

"Working with joint communications is a challenge because we have to learn what they need and get them set up to successfully accomplish the mission," Larsen said. "It's also very rewarding. I have a lot of interaction with the NATO staff, so I learn about people and their cultures while I'm working on their computers."

Mount Whitney is homeported in Gaeta, Italy.



Roger Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 15:02:59     69.40.24.101
That is why we have several streets named after Sherman in Atlanta. LOL!
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 11:13:50     12.72.119.30
Hesperia CA is a great train photography stop as it is railroad east of Cajon Pass. As Craig suggested, it is best visited in any season but summer.
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 09:44:05     38.117.188.10
Sailors assigned to USS John F. Kennedy (CV 67) and embarked Marine Expeditionary Unit Two Four (24th MEU) man the rails as the carrier depart its homeport of Mayport, Fla. The conventionally powered aircraft carrier is in transit for a scheduled a port visit in Boston, Mass.
lblbernnan Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 08:31:31     216.9.250.62
The secretary of war accused Gen Sherman of being a confederate a sympathyzer
Roger Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 05:05:06     69.40.24.101
Larry Brennan,
As Stew pointed out, Sherman did not burn Atlanta. That myth was started by the Union Press, the origin of most "yellow journalism" during the war. They printed what they wanted folks to hear and left out or made up thier own details. Nothing much has changed with newspapers.
Good cat box liner though! LOL!


Mike Kaup Monday, May 16, 2005 at 23:55:28     4.179.38.232
Craig Martin, If you lived in the Mojave area maybe you can clear up a long standing mystery for me. In the 70's I drove through the mojave desert and stopped to walk about to rest my stiff legs. About 300 yards of the highway I found a vertical shaft with a depth of about 40-50 feet and about 6 feet by 6 feet square. It looked as if it was cut mechanically and was extremely precise in measurement. No spoils were in evidence and no other sign of mankind other than a live fifty cal round on the ground. No fencing or markers surrounded it. Any ideas?
Craig Martin Monday, May 16, 2005 at 23:13:50     24.250.12.171
Clarification- Hesperia is in the Mo-jay-vee (Northeast pronunciation) Desert.
Craig Martin Monday, May 16, 2005 at 23:10:48     24.250.12.171
Stewart knows 102F ain't nothin' out there. It's a dry heat. Heh-heh. I'm a native of So. Cal. and lived in Hesperia, CA for 10 years. Then I move to CT. Yikes, The humidity just kills me every summer. I don't know if I could ever move South.
SteveS Monday, May 16, 2005 at 22:37:19     4.246.235.187
102 Stewart??? Oh my.
lbbrennan Monday, May 16, 2005 at 21:35:49     70.111.131.219
Stewart, Sounds like the Pacific Northwest will be a pleasant alternative.
Stewart B. MIlstein Monday, May 16, 2005 at 19:05:06     12.72.121.69
In 1812, the New England states nearly seceded in opposition to the War of 1812. An opportunity lost.

Sherman did not burn down Atlanta. Fires were started by retreating rebels in an attempt to slow Sherman down.


Stewart B. MIlstein Monday, May 16, 2005 at 19:01:27     12.72.121.69
Hi John. It is 102 in AZ this day.
Ed 10975 Monday, May 16, 2005 at 18:24:13     12.76.172.91
Complete NY Fleet Week list can be found at:
www.fleetweek.navy.mil/ships_info.htm

lbbrennan Monday, May 16, 2005 at 17:52:23     38.117.188.10
Folks, If we truly are in a war of Global Terrorism we really should be concerned about targets in the North East.

Roger, Do you have any covers with General Sherman. The father of Urban Renewal


Roger Monday, May 16, 2005 at 17:07:47     69.40.24.101
Dave Kent,
I won that patriotic, cacheted, Remember the Maine cover dated August, 1898, tied with Scott # 286 and cancelled in Presidio, CA (return address Co. "D" 1st Inft. N.Y. Vols.). It came in the mail today. The cover is very nearly pristine!
Thank you for the info you provided me with on the miltary history of the cover.I will be including the cover in an article I am writing about the USS Maine for the LOG, together with a picture of the USS Maine baseball team, and several other covers.
Roger Monday, May 16, 2005 at 16:56:13     69.40.24.101
Hi Guys,
Got covers back today from USS Belleau Wood, with very ratty t-9 cancels that could not be read. Oh well, can't win them all. Tossed them!
Roger Monday, May 16, 2005 at 16:52:41     69.40.24.101
Larry Brennan,
The War Of Northern Aggression has been over now for some time. LOL!! As the Charlie Daniel's song proclaims..The South's Gonna Do it Again". LOL!
Chas Henry Monday, May 16, 2005 at 13:25:55     64.168.104.154
lb - Actually, the Republican "Southern Strategy" started with Nixon.
john young Monday, May 16, 2005 at 13:19:38     68.193.180.155
Hooligan News: May column, page 6 error!
In regard, the type 9 cancel that Jim Klinger
found was not from USS ONONDAGA, but from USS
ANDROSCOGGIN (CGC 14). Sorry for the error!
It was my mistake, as I wrote about his find
in USCS LOG (September 2003)
I made the same mistake in my January column
making reference to World War I cancels from USS
ONONDAGA & USS TAMPA----It should read USS
ANDROSCOGGIN & USS TAMPA. The latter was found
by Jim Myerson!
Who knows? Maybe someone will find an cancel
from USS ONONDAGA!

lbbrennan Monday, May 16, 2005 at 13:02:28     38.117.188.10
After BRAC why don't we just recognize that the Confederacy controls the military, particularly the Navy. If this goes through, as announced last Friday, there won't be a commissioned ship on the Atlantic Coast of any state that remained loyal to the Union. The Canadian border is unprotected. The Double D states are big losers ... if there are two Democrats in the Senate [NY, NJ, CT] almost everything gets closed down. The trend started nearly 50 years ago in the Kennedy administration continues ... the demilitraization of the Northeast is nearly done. Surprising since the enemy seems to target the region.
dcampbell Monday, May 16, 2005 at 00:09:43     152.163.100.200
Stewart; Is the heat getting to you? Don
dcampbell Monday, May 16, 2005 at 00:08:31     152.163.100.200
Richard Jones; Thanks for the BIG HORN address and glad to hear you received the article. Don
sTEWART b. mILSTEIN Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 22:18:09     12.72.118.222
working on my list of covers that I am lloking for at the convention.
sTEWART b. mILSTEIN Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 22:14:50     12.72.118.222
Good evening, gentlemen.
Richard D. Jones Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 20:38:23     68.205.247.209
Just got my new Dell hooked up. What a pain loading all my necessary programs and settings and getting them tested.
Switched to BrightHouse Cable modem. But have had lots of problems getting a decent signal. Three techies in two days!

They are just going to rewire the whole house from the street to a new central hub and then all TVs.
BellSouth DSL was causing too many problems with down signals and third-world customer support.



Richard D. Jones Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 20:32:04     68.205.247.209
d Campbell
I received your article. Thank you.

USNS BIG HORN T-AO 198 FPO AE 09565-4072


Dave Kent Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 19:05:44     68.9.249.147
If I were going to put a cachet on a cover with the PARCHE "Decommissioning Station" postmark, I'd for sure word it "Decommissioning Ceremony." That does not necessarily state that the ship was decommissioned during the ceremony. Welcome to the Brave New World of non-words.
Dave Kent Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 19:00:01     68.9.249.147
Traditionally we say that the person who handles cover requests on a ship that has no post office is the Public Affairs Officer. I believe every ship has one assigned (it may be a chief, who is a non-commissioned officer, rather than a commissioned officer). Incidentally, the fact that the ship has no post office does not necessarily mean that it has no postmark (Alice in Wonderland again).
Dan Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 18:13:09     24.25.181.25
NAVY SHIPS TO VISIT MAINE THIS SUMMER

Maine will be visited by three U-S Navy ships this summer.

PORTLAND, Maine (AP) -- That's according to U-S Senator Olympia Snowe, who says the ships will visit Portland, Boothbay and Belfast during summer festivals.
According to the senator's office, the first ship to come will be the U-S-S Vicksburg, a 567-foot guided missile cruiser that will be at the Boothbay Windjammer Festival from June 20th to the 24th.

The U-S-S Iwo Jima, an 844-foot amphibious assault ship, is scheduled to visit Portland for the city's Fourth of July celebration.

The U-S-S Cape Saint George, another 567-foot missile cruiser, is scheduled to be in Belfast from for the Belfast Bay Festival from July 20th to the 24th.




Roger Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 16:32:52     69.40.24.50
Dave Kent:
If it was an "undecommissioning" for the PARCHE, does that mean that the pictorial cancel for the event was an "uncancel" and the covers made for the event "uncovers"? LOL!

Jeff Curtis: I have always sent my request for PC's OSCs to the XO, and gotten good results.


Larry LaFoe Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 12:44:31     68.57.210.254
NavalPostalHistory.com Auctions - Naval / Polar Cover Auctions

We're experiencing some problems with our Windows based code on the Unix based server. We've purchased new software to resolve these problems and will have them resolved very soon. Temporary Page Buttons are now located on each page to assist in navigation of the site. Auction 7 can be viewed at:

http://navalpostalhistory.com/subcoverauctions.htm

Thank you to all those who have paid their invoices in a timely manner. We have only 4 outstanding invoices from Auctions 4 - 6. There is one unpaid invoice from Auction 4 (ended April 18), 2 from Auction 5 (ended April 25) and 1 from Auction 6 (ended May 2). If you have an unpaid invoice, please remit payment. Considering we've sent more than 225 invoices from Auctions 1-6, this is OUTSTANDING! Thank you again for all those who pay their invoices so quickly!

Auction 8 will include approximately 125 Polar lots and 75 Naval lots. There will be no Auction held during the week of May 23. The USCS is holding their Annual Convention at PIPEX in Portland, Oregon from May 27-29, 2005.

http://www.stampshows.com/portland_nfsc.html

As always, we need your Naval / Polar covers / items to auction in future auctions. If you would like to submit items for auction, please contact me at:
lafoe@comcast.net or (317) 750-3221

Thanks!


bill nestor Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 00:29:58     152.163.100.200
Jeff: the patrol boats don't have post offices. I don't know who does the applying of the ships' cachet for us collectors. PAO ? Executive Officer?
dcampbell Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 23:11:28     64.12.116.200
Does anyone have a postal address for the USNS BIG HORN? Don Campbell
Jeff Curtis Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 21:48:18     68.164.229.125
Herb - I just joined MPHS and the spring newsletter was the first I received. Definitely good stuff.
Jeff Curtis Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 21:47:27     68.164.229.125
Does anyone know if patrol craft have post offices? I see they have an FPO listed, but I was not sure if that definitely meant they had a PO. USS FIREBOLT (PC-10) and USS WHIRLWIND (PC-11) have 10 year anniversaries coming up.
herb rommel Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 21:35:19     68.109.122.54
For Dave Kent: The Spring Military Postal History Society bulletin is great; I don't knowhow you do it

For all of you: you should joinMPHS. dues $20 toSecy Mr. R.T.Kinsley 5410 Fern Loop West Richland WA 99353-9806


Jake Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 21:08:52     24.131.173.235
Hi Ed
Dave Kent Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 20:27:21     68.9.249.147
Interesting thought: the PARCHE ceremony was just that, a cermony. The ship was not decommissioned during the ceremony. It was just a ceremonial celebration of the decommissioning, which will occur at some undefined time in the future. It was an undecommissioning (remember "Alice in Wonderland"?)
pacoastie@verizon.net Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 13:50:15     151.197.173.34
Mark, yup, date is correct, but in the past few years, subs had different ceremonies namely, Deactivations and Decommissionings, and not necessarily in that order either. USS PARCHE is or was a "spook" boat. I have one of the Decommissioning programs, and it says Decommissioning and Change of Command. Begs one to wonder why a Change of Command if it was the Decommissioning. Seems to me that perhaps there still might be a Deactivation. Why have a new CO if the crew is gone?
Stewart B. Milstein Friday, May 13, 2005 at 22:25:00     12.72.121.1
The info I posted about NY Fleet Week came from calling the NY poffice of the Navy League.
Mark Friday, May 13, 2005 at 21:23:45     66.58.131.250
pacoastie...An internet search shows that...On 19 October 2004, Parche was decommissioned at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard.
Jake Friday, May 13, 2005 at 21:15:40     24.131.173.235
They have been trying to close that down for some time, looks like they finally are going to do it.
They had already taken some land at the base for a new couny jail, which was completed last year.
Jake Friday, May 13, 2005 at 21:12:38     24.131.173.235
Otis closing will make the EPA happy, lots of problems out there, but don't believe its as bad as been stated in the papers

Jake Friday, May 13, 2005 at 21:11:02     24.131.173.235
Hi E d
Jake Friday, May 13, 2005 at 21:10:49     24.131.173.235
Hi Jim & Dave
Craig Grothaus Friday, May 13, 2005 at 20:38:15     209.206.156.39
Thajnks...I'll give it a try.
Ed 10975 Friday, May 13, 2005 at 20:32:21     12.76.174.62
Craig - Check with Steve Shay, I believe we have a member from Gibraltar.
Craig Grothaus Friday, May 13, 2005 at 20:02:42     64.91.47.153
Sorry..... Gibraltar
Richard D. Jones 3933 Friday, May 13, 2005 at 20:01:15     65.1.23.38
Craig Martin-
Many people don't know it, but they say the Governor of Florida has a brother from Texas. Maybe there is a connection there!

Now, if they would just give us nuclear facilities at Mayport, we could get two carriers back from Norfolk. We did have Saratoga and Forrestal befor Kennedy.


Craig Grothaus Friday, May 13, 2005 at 20:00:24     64.91.47.153
Hey Guys; I'm interested in identifying all U.S. Ships which have called at the Port of Giraltar. (i.e. put lines over or boats ashore) Any ideas as to where to start such a project?
Ed 10975 Friday, May 13, 2005 at 19:07:32     12.76.174.62
lb - Funny that you shoud mention the Stones. They are are starting this years tour here at Fenway Park and one of the local sportswriters figures that since Clemens is two decades younger than they are he should come back to Fenway as well.
Ed 10975 Friday, May 13, 2005 at 19:04:16     12.76.174.62
Speaks of the price of land and wages, doesn't it.
Ed 10975 Friday, May 13, 2005 at 19:02:34     12.76.174.62
Rich H - Ate many a Wendy's burger watching the flight ops at Willow Grove.
Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 19:01:52     24.250.12.171
Ed, you notice that Texas and Florida picked up about 8800 jobs. Overall, the southern states did quite well. The Northeast got hammered.
Ed 10975 Friday, May 13, 2005 at 19:01:31     12.76.174.62
Massachusetts big one on the list is Otis AFB where the first fighters on 9/11 scrambled from. This base is used by the Air Force, Air NG, Army NG, Coast Guard, and several federal law enforcement agencies. Makes sense to close down something that useful!!!
Ed 10975 Friday, May 13, 2005 at 18:56:14     12.76.174.62
Dan - I can't believe that the BRAC committee will agree to close the Portsmouth Navy Yard.
By the way, Texas has several bases on the list including Ft Bliss and Ingleside NAS. Wonder where they would put the minesweepers.
Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 18:55:39     24.250.12.171
I'd love to go see the Fleet.
Ed 10975 Friday, May 13, 2005 at 18:53:24     12.76.174.62
The French ships that are due in NYC on May 27 apparently are not part of Fleet Week. They are on their way from Norfolk to Halifax.
Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 18:48:21     24.250.12.171
Rich, the Klinger stuff is pie-in-the-sky for me at this point. However, I wonder if Smith will put out a prices realized sheet. I sure like to see it.
Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 18:40:43     24.250.12.171
Re: SSBN NEVADA. I'll have to watch it. That's amazing. I don't think covers on eBay are as hot as when I (munchstamps) was really going strong in 1999-2000. For example, ARIZONA stuff is not bringing $35-60 like it use to. However, I had a beautiful commissioning invitation to ENTERPRISE CVAN-65 that brought about $10-12, if I remember right.
pacoastie Friday, May 13, 2005 at 16:46:24     66.153.33.254
Did a search of the New York Internet sites for more Fleet Week event news. None list the ships, that I could find. Thanks Stew for those you listed.
pacoastie Friday, May 13, 2005 at 16:42:14     66.153.33.254
Looking for update. When the USS PARCHE was decommissoned, the program listed a Change of Command at the same time. Does anyone know why? If it was decommissioned, why did she need a new CO? WIll there still be a deactivation ceremony in the future?
pacoastie Friday, May 13, 2005 at 16:39:31     66.153.33.254
Postmark submitted to honcho's in San Diego for a pictorial cancel for USS HALSEY Commissioning. Site is NAS North Island, Coronado, Calif. Coronado has been less then enthusiastic about canceling covers in the past, so a polite note to the customer service people is in place to see if we can get better results there. Will keep you informed. I would not send to Coronado, until you know that the proposed cancel is approved by the USPS.
pacoastie Friday, May 13, 2005 at 16:32:55     66.153.33.254
Come to think of it, Pennsylvania is also a "blue state", inspite of having two R's as Senators. Union's rule here, at least in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, and the rest of the state be dammed!
pacoastie Friday, May 13, 2005 at 16:28:33     66.153.33.254
Keel laying for the next U S Navy aegis guided missile destroyer USS THOMAS TRUXTUN DDG-103 announced as 5-10-05 at Pascagoula, MS.
pacoastie Friday, May 13, 2005 at 16:25:47     66.153.33.254
The Klinger collection was outstanding. So many "R" covers in Jim's auction leaves one lightheaded, and grabbinmg at the wallet to see if it is full.
pacoastie Friday, May 13, 2005 at 16:23:51     66.153.33.254
eBay continues to amaze me with some prices. I listed a Commissioning invitation for the USS NEVADA SSBN-733, four pieces, invitation, mailing envelope, reception invitation and admittance ticket. Bidding is currently over $300! Chapter is the recepient of the proceeds after costs. Lots of covers and similar items are still up. Name used on eBay is cgcoverguy.
pacoastie Friday, May 13, 2005 at 16:19:32     66.153.33.254
NAS JRB Willow Grove was announced as one of the BRAC closures today. My son and many other Marines drill there. Lots of new construction there, new Navy Lodge, new clubs, makes no sense to me.
Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 13:02:25     24.250.12.171
What say you about the New London closing, Dave?
Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 12:58:45     24.250.12.171
Dave, you got that right.
Dave Kent Friday, May 13, 2005 at 12:57:27     68.9.249.147
JIM Smith.....
Dave Kent Friday, May 13, 2005 at 12:57:06     68.9.249.147
Him smith, who is handling the Klinger estate, is a well-known cover dealer from Michigan (uses the name Pack Rat), and is a past president of the USCS. The "Rarities" sale is a mind-blowing stuff. Just the three cancels pictured on the front cover should bring a couple of thousand dollars.
Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 12:52:09     24.250.12.171
Hi Guys
lbbrennan Friday, May 13, 2005 at 12:45:57     216.9.250.62
The 9 11 attacks were in the northeast and the majority of the cuts again
Dan Friday, May 13, 2005 at 11:58:59     24.25.181.25
Maine loses 7,000 jobs. PNS and BNAS are both on the closure list. I wonder how many bases in Texas are being closed.
Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 11:47:22     24.250.12.171
Looks like King's Bay, GA Sub Base is a big winner on the East Coast, gaining 3367 jobs.
lbbrennan Friday, May 13, 2005 at 11:39:41     38.117.188.10
Here are some local details of BRAC

(WASHINGTON) A Pentagon plan announced Friday would close Fort Monmouth, tossing thousands of people out of work there, while adding jobs at some of the state's six other military bases.

State and local officials vowed to fight the planned closure of the base in Monmouth County, which has mostly civilian employees.

"I am sorely disappointed with this list, and I will fight like hell to change it," said Rep. Rush Holt. "I'm not about to let the Pentagon's error put the fort and the soldiers it serves in harm's way."

The installation can be taken off the closure list if the majority of the nine-member commission appointed by President Bush to oversee the base closing process decides to do so.

Fort Monmouth would lose all its 5,272 military and civilian jobs, according to the list released by the Pentagon.

Eatontown Mayor Gerry Tarantolo said he had been dreading such a decision.

"It's a major disappointment. I think it's a poor decision. But obviously this is just the beginning of the fight," he said. "The battle starts today."

Under the Defense Department plan, two of the state's facilities are targeted to lose some jobs: the Naval Air Engineering Station at Lakehurst, which would lose 186 jobs, and Naval Weapons Station Earle, which would lose 61 jobs.

Four of the state's seven installations would gain a total of 1,850 jobs. Picatinny Arsenal would gain 693 jobs, McGuire Air Force Base 535 jobs, Fort Dix 353 jobs and the 177th Fighter Wing in Atlantic County 269 jobs.

In all, under the Pentagon's plan, New Jersey would lose 3,760 jobs.

Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, R-Harding, whose district includes Picatinny, was elated.

"Picatinny researches and develops new technologies which are being used by our soldiers and Marines today on the front lines to better protect themselves and fight terrorism," he said.

The Pentagon also wants to close three reserve facilities in New Jersey, cutting 91 jobs: the Inspector/Instructor Center in Ewing, the Kilmer U.S. Army Reserve Center in Edison and the SFC Nelson V. Brittin U.S. Army Reserve Center.

New Jersey's congressional delegation, which banded together to keep the installations open, blasted the decision to close Fort Monmouth.

"Closing Fort Monmouth is bad for New Jersey and bad for America," said Sen. Jon Corzine, D-N.J. "We have a very powerful case to make before the commission. The base is critical to protecting our nation in the ongoing war on terror and its missions contribute to the safety of every single American."

Democratic Reps. Holt and Frank Pallone, whose districts include Fort Monmouth and are home to its employees, were determined to get the post off the list. New Jersey has been successful before in persuading the nine-member Base Realignment and Closure Commission to remove a state base from the closure list, when McGuire was taken off in 1993.

Pallone said Fort Monmouth has played a vital role in the war against terror.

"After first-responder communication systems became inoperable on Sept. 11, Fort (Monmouth)-designed communications were used in search and rescue missions," Pallone said. "The essential brain power that perfected these technologies cannot simply be replaced or transferred some place else."

Tarantolo, the Eatontown mayor, said a lobbying effort will be attempted to persuade officials to save the base, which he said contributes billions of dollars to the local, county and state economies.

Down the road from the base's front gate, the manager of Sno Brite Laundromat, June Quammie, said her business will suffer.

"It'll definitely hurt," she said.

In Connecticut, four military bases, including the U.S. Naval Submarine Base in Groton, are on the Pentagon's list.

They also recommended closing Sgt. Libby U.S. Army Reserve Center in New Haven, Turner U.S. Army Reserve Center in Fairfield and the U.S. Army Reserve Center Maintenance Support Facility, Middletown. The Bradley International Airport Air Guard Station would be realigned.

The proposed actions would affect nearly 8,600 Connecticut jobs, nearly all of them from the Groton base.

U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman called the recommendation "irrational and irresponsible."

"It insults our history and endangers our future," Lieberman said. "It is right here in southeastern Connecticut where the heart and soul of America's submarine force lives. If this base were ever closed you would never replace it. It's a nuclear base. You would never build one again like this."

Gov. M. Jodi Rell said she was shocked by the recommendation. "We've invested millions of dollars in that base, but more important, the military has also made huge investments," she said. "You don't put $300 million into a base and walk away from it. It makes absolutely no sense."

The move comes despite months of lobbying from Connecticut officials who say the submarine base -- which began construction in 1872 as the Navy's first submarine base -- is crucial to the region because of its $2.5 billion effect on the economy.

It is homeport to 18 attack submarines and also home of the Naval Submarine School, three submarine squadrons staffs and other support facilities.

State Sen. Gary LeBeau, D-East Hartford, co-chairman of the Commerce Committee, called the decision "devastating news for the state of Connecticut. We are talking 7,000 military jobs and 1,000 civilian jobs."

He said the decision smacked of politics.

"The rumors I had been hearing were in a different direction, that it would be a partial closing, but the 'blue states' really took it on the chin," LeBeau said. "There is certainly a political aspect to this."

During the third base closure round in 1993, the Pentagon recommended the base be shut down, but three months later, after furious lobbying by the state officials and the Congressional delegation, the Base Realignment and Closure Commission reversed the decision and removed it from the list.

Connecticut lawmakers have been meeting regularly with high ranking Navy and Defense Department officials, stressing the importance of keeping the base open. Losing the base, they argued, could force nearby Electric Boat -- where submarines are built -- to close or move. EB employs about 1,100 people in Groton, Conn., and Rhode Island.

A recent Pentagon report suggested that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld wants a Navy fleet of 324-342 ships, which would likely include an attack submarine force of about 49 ships, six fewer than today.

The commission will hold public hearings before presenting its recommendations to President Bush by Sept. 8.

Here's the list of base closings in the New York, New Jersey Connecticut announced by the Defense Department:

New Jersey:

Fort Monmouth
Inspector/Instructor Center, West Trenton
Kilmer U.S. Army Reserve Center, Edison

Connecticut:

Submarine Base New London
Sgt. Libby U.S. Army Reserve Center, New Haven
Turner U.S. Army Reserve Center, Fairfield
U.S. Army Reserve Center Maintenance Support Facility, Middletown

New York:

Armed Forces Reserve Center, Amityville
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Niagra Falls
Carpenter U.S. Army Reserve Center, Poughkeepsie
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Rome
Navy Recruiting District Headquarters, Buffalo
Navy Reserve Center Glenn Falls
Navy Reserve Center Horsehead
Navy Reserve Center Watertown
Niagra Falls International Airport Air Guard Station


Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 11:25:56     24.250.12.171
The official closure recommendation list:
http://www.defenselink.mil/brac/pdf/Appendix_C_FinalUpdated.pdf
Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 11:10:58     24.250.12.171
Indeed, they do recommend the Sub Base at New London! Wow! Ugh!
Connecticut:
Sgt. Libby U.S. Army Reserve Center, New Haven
Submarine Base New London
Turner U.S. Army Reserve Center, Fairfield
U.S. Army Reserve Center Maintenance Support Facility, Middletown

List in full:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=754414


Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 10:34:59     24.250.12.171
Anybody know of Jim Smith, who is auctioning off the Jim Klinger collection? I imagine many of you have received his catalog by now. There's a lot of good material in there.
Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 10:31:58     24.250.12.171
I guess the Base Closures List isn't posted on the DoD site yet. I told my wife that there was no way New London/Groton would be on the list. After all, the modern submarine was invented there. She says, "Well ya know, we're a blue state."
Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 10:08:10     24.250.12.171
Stewart, we'll give you a special a library tech badge for a job well-done. Possibly you have an appreciation for an MLS. Of course, like any other job, some stand around and whine, and others make it a pleasure. My wife supervises 13 student workers, and next year the college is threatening to up it 25.
Craig Martin Friday, May 13, 2005 at 10:00:45     24.250.12.171
Thanks LB for that valuable info on US Navy policy toward cultural property. I've got to look into it. It's a bit ironic that the US military is paying homage to the 1954 Convention. We haven't ratified it. In 1958, Eisenhower never passed it along to the Senate. We have reservations about the limitations it places on the ability to wage war, especially the nuclear option. I think the Convention may be reconsidered in this country, because that thinking stems from an earlier era.
lbbrennan Friday, May 13, 2005 at 09:03:26     216.9.250.63
Crawing on the train to the toasted bridge
lbbrennan Thursday, May 12, 2005 at 22:41:36     70.111.131.219
I would have posted something from the train tonight -- 2+ hours to go 35 miles -- thanks to a fire on the portal bridge near the Meadowlands [you've probably seen the area in the Sopranos and it's near the Secaucus stop -- guess I never caught the signifcance of Tony Soprano's daughter "Meadow" until now]. Looks like a long time before the fire damage to the bridge is repaired and that should make for some horrible commuting days. Two + hours each way through PATH and the World Trade Center and then the Lex.

Maybe Clemmens will go to Balitmore; he hasn't been there before and Lee Mazilli is doing a great job. He would reduce the average age of the Yankee starters, however. With him they'd be almost as old as the Rolling Stones.


Ed 10975 Thursday, May 12, 2005 at 19:17:40     12.76.172.204
Stewart - I may pass up Fllet Week this year in due in part to that huge avalanche on the Henry Hudson Parkway.
But, speaking of Portsmouth UK I'm taking my camera and heading there next month for the Int. Nav. Review. Well over 100 ships will be there.
Ed 10975 Thursday, May 12, 2005 at 19:03:57     12.76.172.204
lb - Clemens is also talking about returning to the Red Sox. Clemens is always talking!
Ed 10975 Thursday, May 12, 2005 at 19:02:03     12.76.172.204
Stewart - Seawaves has 2 French DD's and an AOR listed for a NY visit May 27.
lbbrennan Thursday, May 12, 2005 at 18:39:02     38.117.188.10
David, 6,000 men + a hand full of women on a ship. About 10% were aviators. Not enough targets for hunting. Portsmouth was a great port and I had a wonderful time staying at HMS NELSON. I never saw a woman blush as much as a WREN en route to the showers who I kept chatting with one of our chaplains. When I stopped using his Christian name and called him "Father" she turned scarlet. Being a LT at sea in the Navy still is the best job.
Dave Kent Thursday, May 12, 2005 at 15:41:57     68.9.249.147
I don't see how taking care of a bunch of Wrens would be a problem. Sounds more like fun.
lbbrennan Thursday, May 12, 2005 at 13:41:12     216.9.250.62
Derek the wrens got Stuck on board during a bit of weather and the XO thought it was my problem
Derek Fox Thursday, May 12, 2005 at 13:28:36     195.92.168.179
Larry - I think I remember you telling me the Wrens story on the Nimitz - it was something to do with a storm blowing up and you were stuck shoreside, right ?
lbbrennan Thursday, May 12, 2005 at 10:29:11     216.9.250.63
Another quiet half day
Larry LaFoe Thursday, May 12, 2005 at 00:35:04     68.57.210.254
Auction # 7 is online and will begin at 8:00 a.m. EDT on Thursday, May 12, 2005
and will end promptly at 8:00 p.m. EDT on Monday, May 16, 2005.

Polar Covers - Lots 1449-1459, 1525-1541, 1659-1722,1820-1822 & 1846-1848

Submarine Covers - Lots 1460-1524, 1542-1658, 1827-1829 & 1845 (Gow Ng)

Ship Covers - Lots 1800-1819, 1823-1826 & 1830-1844 (groups)

Beck Cachets - Lots 1723-1799

http://navalpostalhistory.com/subcoverauctions.htm

Remember... in case of tie bids, the bidder with the earliest time stamp wins the lot... Bid Early!

Please forward this e-mail to other cover collectors.


lbbrennan Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 21:06:38     216.9.250.62
Stewart thanks
Stewart B. Milstein Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 20:55:54     12.72.120.188
Coming to NY Fleet Week 2005 are 1 Pakistani and USCGC VIGOROUS, USCGC KATHERINE WALKER, USS SHREVEPORT, USS J.F.KENNEDY, USS CARR, & USS CAPE ST. GEORGE. Unfortuanely I will be at eh convention when they sail into NY on 25 May.
lbbrennan Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 20:12:47     38.117.188.10
Derek Fox, Thanks for the info. I once was responsible for a bunch of WRENS stuck on board NIMITZ at Portsmouth but that was a different time and a different story. Also, thanks for the encouragement about PANAY. I've been working on this for a long time. Shorter articles and work always get in the way. I have pages drafted but they need structure and organization and added detail. I think she was the first USN warship sunk in combat by an aircraft, perhaps an IJN biplane. The Japanese disputed if it was IJN or IJAF. Neither wanted the credit and few of the aviators survived the war.
Ed 10975 Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 19:04:08     12.76.173.149
Stewart - Didn't know about the Shreveport. However two Pakistan ships are scheduled - an FFG and an AOR. And possibly a Dutch FFG.
Ed 10975 Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 19:02:35     12.76.173.149
Jake - Good for you!
Wolfgang Hechler, Germany Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 16:18:22     84.167.108.110
To Roger,
I've also just got back a serviced cover from the USS. TOLEDO (SSN-769). There is a cachet on the front-side and the same cachet on the reverse including a 3 line corner-card also on the reverse, but no skippers autograph. So you are the lucky one of us.
The autograph is from Commander John Joseph Schneider, USN who took command of USS. TOLEDO on SEP-15-2003.

Roger Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 16:01:05     67.141.133.245
Larry Brennan:
The buyer who won my cover on Ebay was a former C.O. of the USS FRIGATE/CONSTITUTION. He out bid for other bidders.
Derek Fox Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 14:02:09     195.92.168.178
Larry - just read your post about the Harry S Truman intruder at Portsmouth. I was lucky enough to go on board that day and am amazed he got through - you had to go through two sets of security guards, first the UK police and then the US Navy checkpoint, and then down to the jetty, where there was another checkpoint. Apparently he just walked in with a large group of returning sailors and wasn't challenged. I know there was a big enquiry about the whole affair.
Also, very interested to read about your forthcoming Panay article - my grandad served aboard the gunboat HMS Ladybird, which picked up some of the Panay survivors.
lbbrennan Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 10:19:36     38.117.188.10
75,000 War Letters Donated, Preserved

May 11, 2005 7:12 am US/Eastern
(1010 WINS) NEW YORK Since he began his bid to preserve America's wartime correspondence, historian Andrew Carroll has collected tens of thousands of letters _ so many he says he has a separate apartment to house them.

Now, six and a half years after he launched the Legacy Project, Carroll is giving the 75,000 letters to the New York-based Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History for safekeeping.

``We could not be more excited about this,'' James Basker, the institute's president, said before a Tuesday evening event celebrating Carroll's donation and new book, ``Behind the Lines: Powerful and Revealing American and Foreign War Letters _ and One Man's Search to Find Them.''

At the event, excerpts of the book were read by Kurt Vonnegut, Jane Pauley, Gary Trudeau and Ann Curry, among others.

Carroll, who became interested in preserving correspondence after his own family's letters were lost in a fire in 1989, edited ``War Letters'' (2001), a best-selling collection of letters from conflicts spanning from the Civil War to Bosnia.

In his new book, Carroll includes letters written by people in other countries _ a decision he says he made after veterans urged him to do so. The letters range from the funny to the heartbreaking.

Pauley read a letter written by a German woman during World War I appealing to the ``Leader of the Company'' to grant her husband a leave of absence ``because of our sexual relationship.''

``I would like to have my husband just once for the satisfaction of my natural desires,'' she wrote _ and Pauley read to the chuckling crowd at the New York Society for Ethical Culture. ``I just can't live like this anymore. I can't stand it.''

Pauley and Trudeau, who are married, read a back-and-forth written correspondence between a woman and her husband, who responded to her letters by typewriting his terse responses directly onto her handwritten pages and sending them back.

Novelist Kurt Vonnegut Jr., who survived the bombing of Dresden as a prisoner of the Germans, read a letter he wrote to his father and sister in 1945; Frederick Douglass IV read two letters, one written by his great-great-grandfather, the abolitionist Frederick Douglass.

Sean Harapko read a letter written by his 23-year-old brother, Josh, who was killed when a Black Hawk helicopter crashed during a training mission at Fort Drum, N.Y.

``I just hope that I made you proud, and if I don't come home for any reason I just want you to know I'll always be with you,'' Josh Harapko wrote to his mother while preparing for Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan, a year before he died.

News anchor Ann Curry read excerpts of a correspondence that told the story of two fathers _ one Japanese, one American _ who fought on opposing sides during World War II and reconciled when their children wanted to get married.

``I'm here tonight because I'm a child of war,'' Curry said before beginning her reading. ``My mother was a poor rice farmer's daughter who became a war bride. My father was a poor wheat farmer's grandson who became part of the occupation forces in Japan.''

She said her parentage made for ``a strange and wonderful childhood.''

The Gilder Lehrman Institute's collection already contains more than 60,000 historical documents, including letters written by George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln.

Royalties from Carroll's book will be donated to organizations that help veterans and their families and other nonprofit groups.


Larry LaFoe Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 09:06:59     68.57.210.254
Auction # 7 will be online this evening and will begin at 8:00 a.m. EDT on Thursday, May 12, 2005 and will end promptly at 8:00 p.m. EDT on Monday, May 16, 2005. Polar Covers - Lots 1449-1459, 1525-1541, 1659-1726,1824-1826 & 1846-1848Submarine Covers - Lots 1460-1524, 1542-1658 & 1827-1829 (Gow Ng)Ship Covers - Lots 1805-1823 & 1830-1845 (lots of 100+)Beck Cachets - Lots 1727-1804http://navalpostalhistory.com/subcoverauctions.htm400 Lots with over 2,500 Covers!Remember... in case of tie bids, the bidder with the earliest time stamp wins the lot... Bid Early!Please forward this e-mail to other cover collectors.If you aren't a member of these fine Societies please consider joining today:USCS - Universal Ship Cancellation Society http://uscs.org/ASPP - American Society of Polar Philatelists http://www.polarphilatelists.org/join-1.htmMPHS - Military Postal History Society http://www.militaryphs.org/apply.htmlPPHSGB - Polar Postal History Society of Great Britain polar@mcmillan.karoo.co.ukIPHS - Indiana Postal History Society ahadley1@comcast.netGood Luck!Larry LaFoe1604 Danaher StreetIndianapolis, IN 46217lafoe@comcast.net(317) 750-3221
lbbrennan Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 07:57:02     216.9.250.63
Stewart Roger clemmens is talking about returning to the Yankees
lbbrennan Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 07:21:11     216.9.250.62
Jake thanks I'm aware as all CVLs were built in NJ fast Carriers were CVs plus CVLs
lbbrennan Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 07:16:18     216.9.250.62
Roger lighten up self promotion invites humor
Roger Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 03:03:14     71.28.11.62
Very funny Brennan!
Jake Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:32:18     24.131.173.235
Stew, they are very similar to the Essex Class carriers that were converted to LPHs, that would later serve in Nam
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:29:47     12.72.121.82
dinner bell - be back later.
lBbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:29:08     216.9.250.62
I'll check
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:28:19     12.72.121.82
Jake - considering what happened off of Okinawa, it is amazing that none of them went down. Today's LPHs look like they were built on ESSEX-class hulls.
lBbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:27:51     216.9.250.63
Stew just tried to call you
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:26:28     12.72.121.82
LB - do you know that names of the ships that will be in NY for Fleet Week. I know of the JFK and SHREVEPORTbut what else is coming to town?
Jake Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:26:01     24.131.173.235
Hi Stew & Larry

Jake Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:25:29     24.131.173.235
Larry Brennan

Th Princeton CVL23 was actually an Independence Class light carrier, a new class of carriers converted from cruiser hulls not one of the Essex Class "Fast Carriers", fact is none of the Essex Class carriers were sunk during WWII


Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:25:26     12.72.121.82
LB - article in the NY Times says that the news 2nd basemen for the Yanks is Jeter's 22nd newest partner. It is beginning to soound like the mets and the 3rd basemen.
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:24:35     12.72.121.82
Do I qualify as I once worked in a library to pay my way through school. I must admit that while I wasn't a professional, I did learn a lot and the info has stood me in good stead through the years. Knowing the "thinking" in a library makes research that much more easier and productive.
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:22:17     12.72.121.82
Hi LB.
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:21:08     12.72.121.82
Congrats Jake - I hope you have a great time in Hawaii.
lBbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:20:50     216.9.250.63
Jake enjoy
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:18:53     12.72.121.82
Hi Jake.
Jake Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:10:21     24.131.173.235
Hi Dave & Richard

Great news today, in fact it makes me feel like one of the luckiest men in the world, as our American Legion Post voted to send me to the American Legion National Convention in Honolulu, paying for my flight there and the hotel room for the week.
This will probably mean that after sixteen years I'll get to see my number two son who is stationed at Kaneohe MCAS/NAS on the other side of the island from Honolulu.
Guess twenty years of giving of my time to the Post has paid off big time


lbbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 19:35:20     38.117.188.10
Craig,

You may be interested in looking at Vol. 73 of the Naval War College's Blue Book series, Annotated Supplement to the Commander's Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations.

Para 8.6 [pp. 428-29] deals with targeting, special proection and protected places and objects. Pages 498 et seq. deal with the 1954 Hague Convention Symbols and protection of Cultural Property in Event of an Armed Conflict. It also discusses the 1907 Hague Symbol. It is mostly technical in application not studious or deep in origin. The footnotes, however, may be helpful.


lbbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 19:23:26     38.117.188.10
How much did Roger pay Rich for his own cover? ha ha

Craig, My wife also is a librarian. She now is at a boy's high school in town. It's the same school exGovernon McGreevey attended and nearly within walking distance of the house.


lbbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 19:21:58     38.117.188.10
DoD Identifies Navy Casualty


The Department of Defense announced today the death of a sailor who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Petty Officer Third Class Jeffery L. Wiener, 32, of Louisville, Ky., died May 7, in a combat related incident. Weiner was a Navy hospital corpsman assigned to II Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF).



Craig Martin Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 17:58:25     24.250.12.171
Greg, my wife works at St. Joseph College in West Hartford. She's a librarian, of course.
Craig Martin Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 17:56:25     24.250.12.171
Wait, wait! I've got some #8 crayons and a bunch o' uncacheted covers! Too bad I can't draw like Roger! That was a good price.
Greg Jacobs Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 17:46:19     67.177.96.92
Ho hum.
Roger Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 16:18:50     71.28.11.62
Rich Hoffner,
Congrats on your recent sale of one of my covers on Ebay!! You got a unbelievable price for it!! Who says add ons don't sell? LOL!!!
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 15:55:25     38.117.188.10
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. and British military and law enforcement officials are investigating how a man was able to sneak on board the USS Harry S. Truman last month while the aircraft carrier was making a port call in Portsmouth, England.

He apparently was able breach British security at the dock and then board a small ferryboat that carried crew members to the Truman, which was anchored a short distance from the shore.

Navy officials believe the intruder was on board the ship for about half an hour before he was caught. The incident occurred April 9.

Security personnel searched the area where the intruder was caught and found that he had not planted any explosives or caused any damage. It was determined that he was not a terrorist.

British law enforcement officials identified the intruder as Abdoul Masmoud Yessoufou, and told CNN that he also had tried to breach security at British airports and other military facilities.

Navy officials said that the intruder was a 37-year-old man of West African descent.

U.S. Naval Criminal Investigative Service personnel and security officials from the Royal Navy will focus on how the intruder was able to breach the port's security and then get on the ship without showing identification papers, officials said.

The Navy tightened security around warships in port after the October 2000 bombing of the USS Cole. That attack in Yemen killed 17 crew members.


lbbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 15:55:19     38.117.188.10
Craig, We've got pretty good written policy re enforcement of international agreements. I know we are cautious about avoiding collateral damage and protecting libraries, hospitals and the like.
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 14:37:27     38.117.188.10
Craig, That sounds like a great subject for a series of articles. [I'm still trying to put together my first two multiple articles: one concerning the sinking of PANAY and the other about the US Naval Invovlement in Northern Russia in 1919 -- it's a bit more challenging to write multiple pieces than a stand-alone article]. After the fall of 1942 we only lost one fast carrier, PRINCETON in 1944. Another related series could be about the losses of the CVEs, inclding the RN CVEs that were lost. The battle damage analysis of the early CV losses, particlarly LEXINGTON, compared with the survival of the ESSEX class CVs struck by kamikazes is amazaing. LEX should not have been lost if they knew how to control avgas vapors. Also, I've spoken with the Chief Engineer of BUNKER HILL who stressed the importance of keeping the engine room manned and with a survivor of FRANKLIN who stressed the need to avoid a repetition of LEX's sinking where men were trapped in the engine room. We lost not large carriers when they engineers were able to keep the plant.
Craig Martin Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 11:21:39     24.250.12.171
Thanks, Stewart!
Craig Martin Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 11:15:55     24.250.12.171
LB was talking about the joys of writing to expand and explain one's collecting interests. I actually wanted to do a history on the development of CV-1 to CV-8, the "first generation" of carriers, of which the US lost five in the first year of the war. I concluded that military history was something that my profs would frown on, since every history guy appears to want to do it. Comparatively, military history is overpublished.
Sterwart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 11:09:04     12.72.120.226
bbl
Sterwart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 11:08:14     12.72.120.226
I found your thesis topic to be quite interesting. Good luck with your efforts. Do contact Larry Brennan. He has been a great help to me and is a treasure trove of information.
Craig Martin Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 11:04:42     24.250.12.171
Hi Stewart!
Craig Martin Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 11:04:24     24.250.12.171
Hi LB-

Thanks much. I may get a hold of you in the near future. Let me guess: The Navy, like the Army, has put out instructions on how to avoid destruction of cultural property. For the US, this concept goes back to the 1863 Lieber Code. Of course, in times of true warfare, Military Necessity overrules culture. Whenever this occurs, controversy follows: Monte Cassino, Dresden, Cologne, etc. I'd like to see the policy, it would be interesting.


Sterwart B. Milstein Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 11:01:31     12.72.120.226
Good morning - what distinguised company!
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 10:46:45     38.117.188.10
USS San Francisco Investigation Completed
PEARL HARBOR, Hawaii (NNS) -- The U.S. Navy announced May 9 the completion of the investigation into the Jan. 8 accident aboard the submarine USS San Francisco (SSN 711) that claimed the life of one Sailor.

San Francisco struck an undersea mountain about 360 miles southeast of its Guam homeport because its leaders and watch teams failed to develop and execute a safe voyage plan, the command investigation into the incident concluded.

"The findings of fact show that San Francisco, while transiting at flank (maximum) speed and submerged to 525 feet, hit a seamount that did not appear on the chart being used for navigation," the 124-page report said of the incident in the vicinity of the Caroline Islands.

"Other charts in San Francisco’s possession did, however, clearly display a navigation hazard in the vicinity of the grounding," it said. "San Francisco’s navigation team failed to review those charts adequately and transfer pertinent data to the chart being used for navigation, as relevant directives and the ship’s own procedures required.

"If San Francisco’s leaders and watch teams had complied with requisite procedures and exercised prudent navigation practices, the grounding would most likely have been avoided. Even if not wholly avoided, however, the grounding would not have been as severe and loss of life may have been prevented."

Machinist's Mate 2nd Class Joseph Allen Ashley, 24, of Akron, Ohio, died aboard the submarine Jan. 9 from an "inevitably fatal" severe head injury sustained during the accident.

"Earlier evacuation or arrival of medical officers would not have changed the outcome for [Petty Officer] Ashley" the investigation said in regard to the two additional medical personnel flown aboard by helicopter and two attempts to medically evacuate him by helicopter.

Another 97 of 137 crew members reported injuries ranging from minor bruising and muscle strains to two who suffered dislocated shoulders. Sixty-eight of them were evaluated and treated aboard, while the remaining 29 were treated at Naval Hospital Guam when San Francisco returned to port under its own power Jan. 10. Just three of them were admitted overnight for further evaluation and treatment.

As a result of the collision, U.S. 7th Fleet Commander Vice Adm. Jonathan W. Greenert relieved Cmdr. Kevin Mooney of his command of San Francisco Feb. 12 following non-judicial punishment proceedings in Yokosuka, Japan. Mooney also received a letter of reprimand.

But Greenert, in his endorsement of the investigation, also praised Mooney’s prior record and performance following the impact.

"Although the grounding incident compelled me to punish [him] and remove him from command, in my opinion it does not negate 19 years of exemplary service," the admiral wrote. "Prior to the grounding incident, USS San Francisco demonstrated a trend of continuing improvement and compiled an impressive record of achievement under [Mooney’s] leadership. Moreover, the crew’s post-grounding response under his direct leadership was commendable and enabled [the sub’s] recovery and safe return to port."

Greenert also criticized the executive officer and navigation team for their share of the responsibility, saying their "failure to adequately and critically review applicable publications and available charts led to submission of an ill-advised voyage plan and hindered the commanding officer’s ability to make fully informed safety-of-ship decisions."

Six crew members were punished March 22 by Capt. Bradley Gehrke, commander of Submarine Squadron 15 on Guam, to which San Francisco was assigned. None were identified due to privacy reasons, but they included enlisted, senior enlisted and officer. The punishments included reduction in rate and punitive letters of reprimand.

San Francisco remains in drydock in Apra Harbor, Guam, under repair.


lbbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 10:46:13     38.117.188.10
Writing for the LOG is fun and helps explain and expand your collecting interests. It's really not that hard and it's rewarding to see the labor of your efforts.
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 10:45:24     38.117.188.10
More than 6,200 Sailors from the USS Nimitz (CVN 68) Carrier Strike Group (CSG) deployed from San Diego May 7 to conduct operations in the Central and Western Pacific. The ships will support the global war on terrorism with joint and combined operations and carry out other assignments as directed.

The Nimitz CSG includes Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 11, Destroyer Squadron 23, the Aegis-equipped guided-missile cruiser USS Princeton (CG 59), the Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers USS Higgins (DDG 76) and USS Chafee (DDG 90), the fast combat support ship USNS Bridge (T-AOE 10), and the Los Angeles-class attack submarine USS Louisville (SSN 724). All of the ships in the Nimitz CSG are homeported in San Diego, Calif., with the exception of Chafee and Louisville, both homeported in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, and Bridge, homeported in Bremerton, Wash. Higgins departed May 6.

Nimitz is the flagship for the strike group commander, Rear Adm. Peter Daly, commander, Carrier Strike Group 11. On deployment, Nimitz is also home to Commander, Destroyer Squadron 23, commanded by Capt. Gordan Van Hook, and Carrier Air Wing 11, commanded by Capt. Tom Cropper.


lbbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 10:44:31     38.117.188.10
Writing for the LOG is fun and helps explain and expand your collecting interests. It's really not that hard and it's rewarding to see the labor of your efforts.
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 09:37:15     216.9.250.63
Hotbmy T
Mike Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 01:10:06     172.193.184.236
From the photos that are being shown on the Navy web site, I would say the damaged USS SAN FRANCISCO will be back at sea in the near future.
Gregory A. Mews Monday, May 09, 2005 at 22:38:16     65.26.213.150
I received covers back today from the USS Winston Churchill with May 8, 2005----VE Day cancells. Nice cancels. Also, got back covers today from West Point with May 8th cancels commemorating the 60th anniversary of VE Day. The cancel features General Omar Bradley with an image of him.
Postmaster
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West Point, NY 10996
Richard D. Jones 3933 Monday, May 09, 2005 at 22:25:00     67.35.155.201
Jake-
Thanks for your attaboys.

I am getting articles from some new writers for future issues. I already have articles in hand for the August issue.

If you are planning on submitting an article for the LOG during this year, I guess, you need to start writing.

Have an idea? Send me a rough outline or review the LOG Index series for the past 5 years to see if the topic has been addressed. I can always use articles for Atlantic and Mediterranean operations.

You, the writers and researchers are what makes the Log a success!


Richard D. Jones 3933 Monday, May 09, 2005 at 22:16:55     67.35.155.201
Ted Minter just sent me a news release stating SECNAV has selectedthe name FREEDOM for the first Littoral Combat Ship.
Jake Monday, May 09, 2005 at 22:15:16     24.131.173.235
Hi Richard
THANKS for another great issue of the Log
HERB ROMMEL Monday, May 09, 2005 at 21:05:11     68.109.122.54
I enjoy the chat room; have nothing to contribute at this time
Roger Monday, May 09, 2005 at 17:04:10     69.40.16.55
Hi Guys,
Just rececived covers back from USS TOLEDO today. OSC, C.O. Autograph and C.C. on the back of each (John something...can't make out the signature). I sent these covers way back in August of last year!! At least I got them back.
lbbrennan Monday, May 09, 2005 at 14:39:36     70.111.175.30
Craig, If it would help your research, email me tomorrow at the office. Brennanl@wemed.com
lbbrennan Monday, May 09, 2005 at 13:42:23     216.9.250.63
Craig have you seen the NWC's annotated Commander's handbook on warfare
Craig Martin Monday, May 09, 2005 at 12:36:25     24.250.12.171
Thanks, LB. I've got a lot of thoughts about this subject, too. I better concentrate on my grad school thesis, however. It is actually related to what we're talking about here- _ The 1954 Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict and its Influence on Targeted National Libraries_ i.e, the intentional destruction of national libraries and its role in ethnic cleansing. I'm pursuing a dual degree in library science and history.
lbbrennan Monday, May 09, 2005 at 11:16:29     216.9.250.62
Craig interesting analysis
lbbrennan Monday, May 09, 2005 at 09:03:31     70.111.175.30
Stewart, Lost as in the sense of lost the people of Eastern Europe, China and North Korea for the civilized world ... we contributed to their loss of freedom. It was never our intent to colonize or possess that part of the world but in the dark history of humanity the 20th century, particularly the post WWI era, may be the darkest in sense of human rights and freedom.
lbbrennan Monday, May 09, 2005 at 09:01:01     70.111.175.30
The Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS Higgins (DDG 76), departs its homeport of San Diego to begin a scheduled six-month deployment in support of the global war on terrorism. Higgins is deploying with the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group.
Craig Martin Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 19:53:09     24.250.12.171
The meeting between Stalin-Churchill in 1944 is known as the Percentages Agreement. Supposedly, the agreement was drawn out on a cocktail napkin.
Craig Martin Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 19:48:16     24.250.12.171
I was tongue n cheek with my comments on nuking Russia. In fact, Churchill gave Stalin tacit approval for the "Iron Curtain" in a meeting in 1944. Of course, Churchill coined term after the war. The US didn't form its Cold War policy until 1946, when George Kennan wrote _Sources of Soviet Conduct..._
Stewart B. Milstein Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 19:38:33     12.72.120.113
Good day, gentlemen.
Stewart B. Milstein Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 19:36:44     12.72.120.113
LB - I find the use of the word "lost" very interesting. Before you lose something don't you have to possess it first?

Yes, Churchill was a head of FDR in his assessment of Stalin. But the question remains whether the US possessed both the will and means to continue a war in Europe against a one-time ally. There is also the matter of the believe that Soviet would be needed to subdue Japan.


Craig Martin Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 19:24:26     24.250.12.171
BBC Online

Sunday, May 8, 2005

_Crew blamed for grounding US sub_

The crew of a US submarine that ran aground in the Pacific Ocean in January did not adequately review navigation charts, a Navy report says.
The grounding could have been avoided if the crew had observed "prudent navigation practices", it says.

A sailor died and several were injured in the accident 600km (350 miles) south of the island of Guam, one of the most important US Pacific bases.

The nuclear reactor on the USS San Francisco was not damaged.

-Data not transferred-

The vessel was on its way to Australia, when it ran aground and suffered severe external damage.

The submarine hit a mountain while submerged 157m (525 feet) below the ocean's surface.

The mountain did not appear on the chart being used for navigation.


But other charts displayed "a navigation hazard in the vicinity of the grounding", the US Navy's 124-page report said.

It blamed the team for not reviewing those charts adequately and for not transferring "pertinent data" to the chart being used for navigation.

"Even if not wholly avoided, however, the grounding would not have been as severe and loss of life may have been prevented," the report said.

The Los Angeles-class submarines are 109.73m (360 ft) long and are classed as attack vessels, designed to counter enemy submarines or surface vessels. They are equipped with a single nuclear reactor.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/4527459.stm

Published: 2005/05/08 16:09:28 GMT

© BBC MMV


lbbrennan Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 19:14:33     70.111.175.30
Eleven tons of mail; how many covers?
lbbrennan Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 19:14:04     70.111.175.30
Marines of the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit (Special Operations Capable) help sort through some of the twenty-thousand pounds of mail bound for the Marines and Sailors of the 26th MEU (SOC) and the amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge (LHD 3) that sits on the hangar deck of the ship May 5. Marines and Sailors aboard the Kearsarge Strike Group are currently deployed in the Arabian Gulf to help bring security and stability in the region.
lbbrennan Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 19:12:21     70.111.175.30
Stewart,

Noted hours of silence here Friday night and Saturday.

The Baltics enjoyed liberation by the Soviets at the beginning of WWII, then capture by Germany and finally reliberation and incorporation into the Soviet Union. Remember the Run over Countries stamps. The aftermath of WWII was a great tragedy for the world, particularly the people of Eastern Europe. The Roosevelt Administration at Yalta did not strive for the goal of freedom. I think Churchill was far ahead of the ill Roosevelt in recognizing the horrors of the Soviet Union and particularly Stalin. Fortunately, we kept the Soviets out of the occupation of Japan. Still we lost most of mainland China, Manchuria, Korea to the forces opposed to freedom and human rights.


Ed 10975 Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 18:25:17     12.76.173.19
Nuke Russia? Didn't we only have the two we used on Japan?
lbbrennan Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 17:15:04     216.9.250.63
Wwii i
Stewart B. Milstein Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 11:33:41     12.72.119.16
That is the war in Europe.
Stewart B. Milstein Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 11:33:11     12.72.119.16
First successful nuke test in Jul 45. The war is over.
Craig Martin Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 09:10:17     24.250.12.171
Happy Mother's Day, everyone! 52F here in Enfield, CT and the rain is gone.

Yes, nuke Russia in '45. I'm sure the Roosevelt admin. was thinking of that option.


lbbrennan Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 08:24:36     216.9.250.63
Stewart we could have gone nuke
Stewart B. Milstein Saturday, May 07, 2005 at 21:37:19     12.72.120.243
The Pres. criticizes the Yalta agreements. I would like to know how the US, in Feb. 45, could have prevented the USSR from taking the Baltics.
Stewart B. Milstein Saturday, May 07, 2005 at 21:36:14     12.72.120.243
LB - counting hours? You could be cataloging your vast horde of covers.
Craig Martin Saturday, May 07, 2005 at 13:10:40     24.250.12.171
Of course- May 7 or 8, 1945 -depending on which country your in- VE Day. When you see your Mother-in-Law on Mother's Day, like I will, you say, "This is a very important day, we must celebrate!" She'll probably reply, "Oh, thank you, dear, you're too kind." You then point out, "It's the 60th anniversary of the German surrender!"
Craig Martin Saturday, May 07, 2005 at 10:39:44     24.250.12.171
BTW, LB, what ships did you serve on?

I never was in the Navy, but my great-uncle served on California during the late 30s, and then a PT boat. He never wanted to talk about his war experience. I'm also a distant relative of William B. Cushing. And, my uncle served on Delta in Vietnam.


lbbrennan Saturday, May 07, 2005 at 10:31:59     216.9.250.63
17 hours of silence
Craig Martin Saturday, May 07, 2005 at 10:29:42     24.250.12.171
Hi LB
e sink Friday, May 06, 2005 at 17:03:28     68.85.255.77
May LOG, another superb issue received in Wayne, PA today.
Craig Martin Friday, May 06, 2005 at 16:45:58     24.250.12.171
Hi Greg Jacobs
lbbrennan Friday, May 06, 2005 at 15:09:11     38.117.188.10
Second Pilot Identified in F/A-18 Crash
Story Number: NNS050505-14
Release Date: 5/5/2005 4:03:00 PM

Special release from U.S. Navy Public Affairs

WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The Department of Defense announced May 5 the death of a Marine who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Capt. Kelly C. Hinz, 30, of Woodbury, Minn., died May 2 from injuries received when the F/A-18 Hornet aircraft he was piloting crashed in Iraq while flying in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He was assigned to Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 323, Marine Aircraft Group 11, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, Calif. His unit was embarked aboard USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70).

This follows the May 4 announcement of the death of Maj. John C. Spahr, 42, of Cherry Hill, N.J., who also died May 2 from injuries received when the F/A-18 Hornet aircraft he was piloting crashed in Iraq. Spahr was also assigned to VMFA-323, Marine Aircraft Group 11, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, Calif.


lbbrennan Friday, May 06, 2005 at 15:08:03     38.117.188.10
Spanish Ship Joins TR Strike Group
Story Number: NNS050506-03
Release Date: 5/6/2005 1:55:00 PM

By Journalist 2nd Class Kimberly Stephens, USS Theodore Roosevelt Public Affairs

USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT (NNS) -- A ceremony held aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) (TR) May 4 recognized the ongoing friendship between Spain and the United States with the joining of a Spanish ship to the TR Carrier Strike Group.

Alvaro de Bazan (F 101), a medium-size Spanish frigate, is now officially a part of Carrier Strike Group 2.

“We are pleased and honored to welcome Alvaro de Bazan to Norfolk, Va., and into the TR strike group,” said Commander, Carrier Strike Group 2 Rear Adm. James A. Winnefeld. “This project was born in 2003 with the highest leaders of the Navy, and the Memorandum of Understanding was signed a week ago. The magnificent ship arrived here to start phase one of training.”

High-ranking officials from the Spanish navy, marine corps, air force and army attended the ceremony along with U.S. officials from Joint Forces Command, Fleet Forces Command and U.S. 2nd Fleet, as well as the under secretary of the Navy.

Both the United States and Spain have been victims of terrorism, with the 2001 attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center in New York City and the 2004 train bombing in Spain.

“The upcoming deployment is a symbol of friendship,” said Under Secretary of the Navy Dionel M. Aviles. “Both countries have suffered terribly at the hands of terrorists. It is important we cooperate and our militaries are strong to fight the war on terror.”

“We belong to two nations whose friendship goes way back,” said Spain’s Minister of Defense Jose Bono Martinez. “The first admiral of the U.S. Navy was of Spanish origin (Adm. David Glascow Farragut), and Europe will never forget that it was the United States that saved us from totalitarianism.”

It was a Spaniard who spoke of the legalities of the seas.

“The sea belongs to no one, but everyone in human kind as whole,” said Martinez. “The sea unites us in history and today as common allies in NATO. I am so moved by the freedom promised by TR Carrier Strike Group, and now it is joined by Spain.”

Sailing with TR is not the first time Bazan has joined with the U.S. Navy. In July 2003, it took part in a combined Combat Systems Ship Qualification Trials with the Aegis-class destroyer USS Mason (DDG 87). Bazan is the first European ship with the Aegis anti-aircraft system, making it comparable to the destroyer.

“We will treat this magnificent warship as we treat our own,” said Winnefeld. “You can rest assured we will protect the sovereignty of this national Spanish asset.”

Having Bazan and TR come together in one strike group is a way to promote interoperability between two NATO countries. Small training exercises are conducted throughout the fleet, but a six-month deployment is what will give the United States and Spain the opportunity to work together in a more real-world situation as well as learn how to overcome any communication boundaries the two navies may share.


lbbrennan Friday, May 06, 2005 at 13:10:49     38.117.188.10
Captain Rawlins and all other Sailors and friends, take heart...

Congress Assumes Leadership Role in Halting Demise of
U.S. Naval Fleet and Shipbuilding Industry


The U.S. Congress, led by Senators Thad Cochran (R-MS), Trent Lott (R-MS), Susan Collins (R-ME), Olympia Snowe (R-ME), John Warner (R-VA), George Allen (R-VA), Bill Nelson (D-FL), and Mel Martinez (R-FL), took major steps in the FY05 Emergency War Supplemental and the FY06 Budget Resolution to halt the sinking of the U.S. naval fleet and naval shipbuilding industrial base.

Senator Thad Cochran, Chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, with strong support from Senators Lott, Collins, and Snowe, included a provision in the Emergency War Supplemental, H.R. 1268, that precludes the Navy from changing its acquisition strategy for the DDX surface combatant to a winner-take-all approach. This provision, which was adopted by the House in conference with the Senate, requires the Navy to maintain two American surface combatant builders for the DDX program and future multi-mission surface combatant programs for the Navy. While the Navy maintains that it can reduce the cost of the DDX by having one shipyard build all of the ships in the program, Congress recognized that short term savings would be more than offset by higher costs in all surface combatant programs if the Nation lost one of its premier surface combatant design and construction yards.

Read the Rest of This Article



lbbrennan Friday, May 06, 2005 at 13:03:55     38.117.188.10
Duane, Congratulations. I'm just getting my older daughter off to college in the fall. Even the dog won't try to get into her room. This is a great accomplish for you and your family must be happy and proud.
lbbrennan Friday, May 06, 2005 at 13:02:12     38.117.188.10
1. Last night's message was from Secaucus; BlackBerries are not good for spelling.

2. Yesterday would have been my parents' 60th wedding anniversary -- they nearly made VE Day. My father's PC left after the wedding and before the reception for the Pacific. There were no groomsmen at the reception but a lot of drunken sailors heading out of New York on a 173 foot ship for the second phase of the war.

The last similar date was 9/9/99? How about 4/4/04? Next year 06/06/06. Lot's of ways to have fun and play the game.


Duane Wilson Friday, May 06, 2005 at 10:15:28     204.124.93.249
Good question. I think my wife has designs on it. I've already got more than my share.
Stewart B. Milstein Friday, May 06, 2005 at 10:12:08     12.72.120.157
be back later
Stewart B. Milstein Friday, May 06, 2005 at 10:11:44     12.72.120.157
Duane - Congratulations to your daughter. What are you going to do with all the extra space?
Duane Wilson Friday, May 06, 2005 at 10:10:45     204.124.93.249
Larry, from your most recent email it looks like you have a big auction starting on the 17th.
Duane Wilson Friday, May 06, 2005 at 10:02:54     204.124.93.249
Good morning Larry.
Duane Wilson Friday, May 06, 2005 at 10:01:15     204.124.93.249
Stewart, I've got another engagement. My daughter is getting married that weekend.
Stewart B. Milstein Friday, May 06, 2005 at 10:00:04     12.72.120.157
Will you be at the National Convnetion at the end f htis month?
Stewart B. Milstein Friday, May 06, 2005 at 09:59:46     12.72.120.157
Good morning Duane.
Stewart B. Milstein Friday, May 06, 2005 at 09:59:15     12.72.120.157
5/5/05 was Cinco de Mayo, A group of people here in Tucson are trying to restore meaning to the holiday. They do not think that it should be a festival dedicated to getting drunk. The police are strictly enforcing the DWI rules. What a radical idea - celebrating an event rather than go shopping and/or boozing. Can you imagine people not laboring on Labor Day - or paying proper respect on Memorial Day.
Jake Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 23:53:05     24.131.173.235
Today 5/5/5 is a very special day for most us, as most of us will not be around in fifty years to see it when the date will be all FIVES again--5/5/55
lbbrennan Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 21:23:23     216.9.250.63
Greetings from the train at secsicis
Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 21:00:06     69.244.32.250
got to go and cook dinner - ba backlater.
Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 20:57:54     69.244.32.250
Getting warm (90+) out here in AZ. I delayed coming home to go to OR. Could not see an extra cross country flight bu going to NY to go to OR to go to NY.
Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 20:55:39     69.244.32.250
Herb - I wrote an article for the Log about what is collectible. It will be in the June issue. I owe you a debt of gratitude for the push in that direction.
Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 20:55:02     69.244.32.250
Good evening, gentlemen.
Dave Kent Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 20:26:24     68.9.249.147
Speaking of Greg Finnegan and Post-It Notes: Greg, as a research librarian at Harvard recommends against sticking Post-It Notes to covers. He says they leave a sticky residue that could eventually damage the cover.
Thad Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 20:25:30     152.163.100.200
Another new cancel..from USS SAN JACINTO CG 56. Same as other silver dollar sized cancel. This one is perfect...not on stamp. They have a new silver dollar sized type 9 too NPC applied. Excellent service. This ship truly needed a new cancel for years.....This must be the new type cancel being issued, it's the third one I received. zip 09587-1176.
lbbrennan Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 20:24:32     38.117.188.10
Dave, Relax your USAF heart. I don't believe in flogging or keelhauling and we haven't had a death penalty executed in the Navy since before the Civil War. Shooting no loads off the waist catapult, that would be fun and a good use of excess steam.
lbbrennan Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 20:22:59     38.117.188.10
Roger, Like most things in the Navy, time and transfers will cure the problem. Intent is always a hard element to prove for offenses. That's why we had so many UA cases and so few desertions. Most folks didn't write "I desert and intend never to return" letters. I defended an Ensign who did it repeatedly and escaped a GCM and dismissal with a resignation in lieu of trial. Sad case. If you think you are being dissed, I tell you about the BM 1 who sent me a note on my travel claims, "CAPT, WTFO?" He wound up at a General Court, but not for disrespect. He had been the sailor of the quarter but was a thief, in the final analysis.
Roger Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 17:12:11     69.40.31.161
Post Sript:
I forgot to mention that the Post It notes that I mentioned before were removed from my covers and put INSIDE each of them by the PC...there is no doubt in my mind that he saw the messages on them, but ignored them... Unless of course we now enlist PCs who can not read or who are blind? LOL!
Roger Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 17:05:54     69.40.31.161
Hi Guys,
Well, I NOW fully believe that "some" PCs DO deliberately/purposefully disregard instructions with covers sent for cancellation service. Just received covers back form USS ANTIETAM, with OSCs applied where I usually put my cachets. In order to do this, the PC HAD TO HAVE REMOVED my "Post It" notes which I always put in that space(on each cover), and which clearly reads, "Do not apply anything in this space please". The reason that I call this deliberate is because this is the third mailing in a row from USS ANTIETAM for which I received covers treated in this manner over the last six months. (I only sent three covers each time). And all had the same post it note message on each cover sent!
So those of you who expressed the premise of deliberate fouling/defacing of covers by PCs a few weeks ago, I am now with you in your belief that "SOME" PCs will deliberately foul up covers.

lbbrennan Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 16:17:28     216.9.250.63
Another dead day
SteveS Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 08:49:06     65.213.44.9
I'm at work so I have to think about it too!
Biill Perkins Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 08:41:56     64.171.191.165
Morning Steve, no hour is too early to divert my thoughts from work.
SteveS Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 08:30:29     65.213.44.9
Morning Bill, you are up early.
Richard D. Jones 3933 Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 00:35:31     65.1.8.195
Anyone hear from Greg Finnegan? Haven't seen him here for months.
Mike Kaup Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 22:48:59     4.178.54.174
lbbrennan, Say was that cigarette smoke or gunsmoke?
Stewart B. Milstein Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 22:13:13     12.72.119.248
A USCS member has contacted me, via the Sales Circuit, with an offer to sell the following 3 items:
1. US Naval Postmark Catalog Vol. III
2. US Naval Cover Cachet makers Catalog
3. A 3 ring binder with 50+ pages depicting US postal types from Type 1 - Type F.

If you are interested in these items, please let me know and I will put you in touch with the seller.


Gregory A. Mews Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 21:57:53     65.26.213.150
I received the 60th anniversary sheet of the Battle of Atlantic and fdc from Canada Post this week. Very, very nice. They are the old fashioned lick n' stick stamps, not self adhesives, which is nice to see. As a collector its sad to see that we'll get more Disney stamps this year but nothing historically important like this anniversary.
john young Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 16:35:00     68.193.180.155
lbbrennan: Get over it, as the Department of the
Navy is just following the older "sea-going service" It only took 60-plus years to catch up
to U.S. Coast Guard Reserve.
Craig Martin Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 16:12:50     24.250.12.171
Hey LB-

Who do you think lobbied for this?


lbbrennan Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 15:22:00     38.117.188.10
For those of us who still care about USNR and USN issues [see Herman Woulk's Caine Mutiny Court Martial and loads of congressional hearings after WWI and WWII] here is the offical presidential proclamation on the U.S. Navy Reserve.

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
April 29, 2005

Memorandum for the Secretary of Defense


SUBJECT: Redesignation of the United States Naval Reserve to the United States Navy Reserve

Pursuant to the Ronald W. Reagan National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2005 (Public Law 108-375), I approve the redesignation of the United States Naval Reserve to the United States Navy Reserve.

GEORGE W. BUSH


Craig Martin Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 11:51:19     24.250.12.171
Richard-

I'm just finishing _Battle of the Atlantic_ by Morison. I've got the whole set of History of the US Navy in WWII, and _Hitler's U-Boat War_ by Blair. My dear wife takes care of me well on my B-days. Anyway, I think the Battle of the Atlantic is exceptionally under-appreciated in WWII history. I'm looking forward to that Canadian stamp.


Craig Martin Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 11:43:05     24.250.12.171
Re: Bush. No comment.
lbbrennan Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 10:46:58     38.117.188.10
change qua change
lbbrennan Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 10:46:41     38.117.188.10
Here is earthshattering developments from the nation's capital. Enjoy, Lawrence B. Brennan, Captain, U.S. Navy Reserve

USNR now USNR

The White House released a Memorandum signed by President Bush directing that the United States Naval Reserve be redesignated as the United States Navy Reserve. Think of all the new business cards and letterhead stationary that will have to be printed. (4/29/05).


Roger Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 06:07:37     67.141.128.60
I was looking through the naval covers on Ebay this morning. There is a guy selling a bunch of individual covers for $9.99 each, and describing them as "rare". Not only are none of them "rare" but none are worth his asking prices. Be careful guys!
Jake Tuesday, May 03, 2005 at 23:06:39     24.131.173.235
May Log arrived here on the Cape, one of the earlist yet.
Thanks Richard and a special thanks to all those who help to make this such a great Log.
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 03, 2005 at 21:24:45     216.9.250.63
Steve I'm enduring the train next to a fellow who smells of smoke
SteveS Tuesday, May 03, 2005 at 19:20:59     65.213.44.9
Larry, I'm not outside (yet) and I'm not at a ballgame though both sound like great ideas.
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 03, 2005 at 16:59:05     38.117.188.10
sad story from naval aviation.
Remains Found from Apparent F/A-18 Crash

From Multi-National Force-Iraq Combined Press Information Center

BAGHDAD, Iraq (NNS) -- Early this morning local time, search teams located the body of a pilot from one of two missing U.S. Marine Corps F/A-18 aircraft from USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70).

The aircraft had been flying in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom when contact was lost at approximately 10:10 p.m. May 2.

The status of the second crew member is unknown at this time and search efforts continue.

There was no initial indication of hostile fire in the area at the time contact was lost. The incident is under investigation.



lbbrennan Tuesday, May 03, 2005 at 16:58:00     38.117.188.10
what is the problem here? Is everyone outside or at the ballgames? I've never see such a dead day at our website.
lbbrennan Tuesday, May 03, 2005 at 13:52:31     38.117.188.10
nothing posted for the past 14+ hours. slow day and night.
Dave Kent Monday, May 02, 2005 at 21:27:17     68.9.249.147
Bob Rawlins' exhibit at Boxborough was his World War II submarine covers, restructured after some critical comments at last year's APS convention in Sacramento. Although the structure is different, virtually all of the covers are the same. It's still a blockbuster exhibit.
lbbrennan Monday, May 02, 2005 at 21:03:19     38.117.188.10
here are some interesting published unofficial dates for commissioning and decommissionings this year.

fdcs

July 30, 2005 USS Halsey (DDG 97)

November 12, 2005 USS Bainbridge (DDG 96)

ldcs

May 27, 2005 USS LaSalle (AGF 3)

July 1, 2005 USS Vincennes (CG 49)

September 22, 2005 USS Cushing (DD 985)

October 28, 2005 USS Belleau Wood (LHA 3)

2005 USS John F. Kennedy (CV 67)


Richard D. Jones 3933 Monday, May 02, 2005 at 20:39:58     65.1.8.40
Canada Post has issued a very nice Battle of the Atlantic commemorative stamp.
http://www.canadapost.ca/personal/collecting/

lbbrennan Monday, May 02, 2005 at 19:57:49     216.9.250.62
Mchale's Navy is from the web I used it for my war college Coc
john young Monday, May 02, 2005 at 17:27:08     68.193.180.155
lbbrennan: Thanks, maybe I take the next exam!
but then again they earn more cooking at Wendy's
especially in the Big "sour" Apple.
john young Monday, May 02, 2005 at 17:21:57     68.193.180.155
Roger: Guess no pictorial cancel for Alder!
In reveiwing covers sent, who did the FDC for
WW TWO MEMORIAL stamp (McHale's Navy)?

Roger Monday, May 02, 2005 at 17:03:23     69.40.16.179
The May LOG arrived today in the North Georgia Mountains.
Roger Monday, May 02, 2005 at 17:00:06     69.40.16.179
BOY! The Quinteo cachets that L.L. had up on Ebay went for way higher than they have sold for in the past by other sellers. Bob Q. will be thrilled. I told Bob years ago that his cachets were underpriced!! (The Magda cachets also went for very good prices!)
Roger Monday, May 02, 2005 at 16:53:39     69.40.16.179
John Young,
Rich says he did not have enough lead time to get a cancel sent in.
Roger Monday, May 02, 2005 at 16:52:46     69.40.16.179
Hi Guys,
Recieved covers back from USS CAMDEN today, dated 4/15/05 with perfectly struck T-9 cancels. No OSC's on the back this time?
lbbrennan Monday, May 02, 2005 at 14:55:43     38.117.188.10
This looks like an interesting English site, BBC, to trace personal histories in WWII.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ww2/

lbbrennan Monday, May 02, 2005 at 14:47:24     38.117.188.10
Captain Herb Rommel reports that Captain Bob Rawlins has another brilliant gold award winning exhibit at Boxboro. I hope that Bob is willing to share this with those of us who were unable to get there and allows the exhibit to be posted here as he has generously done in the past. Congratulations to our award winner.
lbbrennan Monday, May 02, 2005 at 13:58:58     38.117.188.10
John Young, You're amazing. You should consider a career in police work.
john young Monday, May 02, 2005 at 11:08:18     68.193.180.155
Any USS BROOKS (DD 232) collectors out there?
While going over the covers found that Ship's
Writer, Charles Olasky (USCS #45) had help with
the covers service!
27 OCT 1932 (Navy Day) has several signatures
on reverse including Olasky, W.B. Parker, Don Liberatore & Charley Noble (Olasky's handwriting)
11 NOV 1932 (Armistice Day) has typed (reverse)
W.B. Parker & Charles Olasky.
22 DEC 1932 has signature of Olasky and NMC
J.R. Power on front & W.B. Parker on reverse.
22 DEC 1932 has signature of Don Liberatore,
Radioman on reverse
8 MAR 1933 (Taft Died) has signatures of
W.B. Parker & R.H. Jones on front
9 MAR 1933 (Monitor & Merrimac) & 11 APR 1933
(Revolution Treaty) has signatures of R.H.Jones
It should be noted that Wm. Brooks Parker (USCS #239A) was responsible for the servicing of
covers from "Lady Lex" during the period 1933-34.
Guess Parker was tin can sailor before going to
USS LEXINGTON. Together with NMC E.L.Beckwith (240A, they recorded the carrier's east coast trip (April- June 1934).
lbbrennan Monday, May 02, 2005 at 09:31:28     216.9.250.62
Quiet weekend sunny am
john young Monday, May 02, 2005 at 00:30:10     152.163.100.200
Roger: Don't Know! Just found out about
last Saturday. Have to ask Rich Hoffner
if he sent anything to USPS.
Roger Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 16:27:31     69.40.19.102
Hi Guys,
Recieved my covers back for the Christening of the USCGC MACKINAW WLBB-30 yesterday. Nice cancel application by the Post Master.
Roger Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 16:21:09     69.40.19.102
John Young:
Will there be a pictorial for the USCGC ADLER??
Herb Rommel Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 14:28:26     68.109.122.54
My grandson drove me to Boxboro for show and auction. Our Secy was ther with a fabulous exhibit of WWII subs (not pre war,not post war, one of a kind stuff). He got a gold.

Prices at the auction were on the low side.

Huber was there with an attractive booth.


Stewart B. Milstein Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 14:03:21     12.72.118.221
Hi Larry.