stewart b. milstein Saturday, September 30, 2006 at 20:06:29   12.75.163.14
Good Evening, Ed.
Ed Devlin Saturday, September 30, 2006 at 19:52:08   12.76.172.235
sspelkey - Lost all my email addresses when my old computer died of a serious virus. Please resend me your email address at ejd741@att.net
Dan Goodwin Saturday, September 30, 2006 at 19:45:39   24.198.61.120
Received Asheville covers today from Norfolk. Hervey's crew did another excellent job.
Mike Empey Saturday, September 30, 2006 at 14:55:44   71.161.221.183
Hello Karl,Congratulations on being member of the month from 1 Vermonter to another, Don T was right very interesting bio and what an accomplished family.
Dan Goodwin Saturday, September 30, 2006 at 14:04:58   24.198.61.120
Weather service verified that we had a tornado, quite rare in Maine.
Bruce D. Liddell Saturday, September 30, 2006 at 12:56:56   72.155.140.69
Dan -Tornadoes ain't no fun. I've been in three. My advice: build your house below the military crest between two ridge lines. Lost a TV aerial, lost the tops of pine trees, but never lost a shingle.
Bruce
Birmingham Alabama
P.S. It really does sound like an express train passing overhead.
Bruce D. Liddell Saturday, September 30, 2006 at 12:51:55   72.155.140.69
For trade.USS EAGLE NO. 2 PE-2 Officers Mail PPC Constantinople 1919
(Will send scans on request. Greg kindly posted it in the Naval Cover Museum http://www.navalcovermuseum.org/wiki/index.php?title=EAGLE_2_PE_2)
Will trade even-steven for a nice EAGLE NO. 1 PE-1 cover or postcard.
Bruce
bdliddell@yahoo.com
Dan Goodwin Saturday, September 30, 2006 at 11:24:45   24.198.61.120
I just walked through some of the disaster area. You have to understand that we live in a heavily wooded area, at least we used to. Trees down and broken everywhere. Trees in houses, cars, streets, etc. There is a greenhouse down the street. The glass was pulled from it and blown up to a quarter mile away. This all happened just as the kids were getting out of school. It is a miracle that no one was seriously hurt. The swarth was quite narrow but about a mile in length. I had some wind but no damage.The same storm caused a 30 vehicle pileup on the Maine Turnpike near Scarboro. Cars and trucks stacked like logs. The most serious injury I heard of was broken ribs. Another Miracle!
Steve Shay Saturday, September 30, 2006 at 10:30:35   4.246.6.160
Dan, that sounds way too close for comfort. I hope you and your home were untouched.
Don Tjossem Saturday, September 30, 2006 at 01:36:21   69.29.246.120
Karl,
You are a very interesting "Member of the Month." You are a very versatile person to say the least. Bet there's no "small talk" around your dinner table during family get togethers.
Dan Goodwin Friday, September 29, 2006 at 22:55:48   24.198.61.120
Tornado (?) touched down this afternoon at the end of my street. What a mess. No major injuries that I know of. NWS will investigate to determine if it was a tornado or a micro burst. Either way it was very destructive. Damage is just 0.3 mile from my place.
John Hembree Friday, September 29, 2006 at 22:40:04   65.83.201.93
Received AUSTIN and ASHVILLE covers today.
FTCG Karl Zurn Friday, September 29, 2006 at 20:05:00   216.204.140.66
Hi Roger,
I would like to obtain the Iowa cancel. I would like to buy it or trade for one I made when the Iowa transferred from Newport to San Francisco. Real interesting meeting we sat with Captain Sequest (not sure of the spelling) kzurn@aol.com
FTCG Karl Zurn Friday, September 29, 2006 at 20:00:55   216.204.140.66
Hi Dave
Mike Brock Friday, September 29, 2006 at 17:10:56   67.164.96.237
I received covers today from Norfolk for USS AUSTIN Decommissioning & USS ASHEVILLE 15th Anniversary. Both with nice cancels.
SteveShay Friday, September 29, 2006 at 16:03:54   65.213.44.9
The October Log was mailed today.
lbbrennan Friday, September 29, 2006 at 12:19:57   38.117.188.10
Great cover of the month and member of the month bio by our website host and benefactor, Karl Zurn. Congrats to Rich Hoffner, who Karl quotes in his opening lines. Karl, great pictures and congratulations on a wonderful and succesful family. They provide lots of reasons to enjoy and be proud.
SteveShay Friday, September 29, 2006 at 10:55:41   65.213.44.9
New member of the month and cover of the month postings went up today.
Roger Wentworth Friday, September 29, 2006 at 10:03:02   71.28.46.96
Got covers back from USS IOWA reunion yesterday. Nicely struck cancels.
Mike Empey Friday, September 29, 2006 at 08:02:40   71.169.129.166
Morning lb
lbbrennan Friday, September 29, 2006 at 08:01:40   38.117.188.10
Good morning Mike and herb
BMCM Jones 3933 Thursday, September 28, 2006 at 21:56:48   70.119.225.106
October preview pages have been posted. Click on Society Journal in the left column
lbbrennan Thursday, September 28, 2006 at 20:05:12   38.117.188.10
Waiting for the night owls
lbbrennan Thursday, September 28, 2006 at 18:19:44   38.117.188.10
still slow going here. Guess everyone is enjoying other hobbies and work.
John Hembree Thursday, September 28, 2006 at 16:37:12   65.83.201.93
Received FREEDOM covers today-great cancels
John Lyding Thursday, September 28, 2006 at 09:52:09   69.72.27.126
Pictorial cancels listed in today's POSTAL BULLETIN:
USS TEXAS 9/9/06 Postmaster PO BOX 9998 GALVESTON TX 77550.
HURRY FOR THIS ONER - CREWMEMBER REUNION USS IOWA BB-61 8/30/06 Postmaster Philatelic Svcs, PO BOX 3480, Portland or 97208.Need not hurry as much - DECOMMISSIONING STATION USS AUSTIN LPD-4, 9/27/06 2600 ELTHAM AVE STE 109, NORFOLK VA, 23513-2501 (2501 is listed).
lbbrennan Thursday, September 28, 2006 at 09:18:31   38.117.188.10
Interesting issue of warship international some great detail about USN bb gunnery the 2004 vol is nearly completed now. This reminds us of the dilligence of our editor who produces 12 timely issues every year
Greg Ciesielski Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 22:17:21   66.56.252.233
I got to watch the sinking of the Oriskany tonight on the Discovery channel. Earlier postings were wondering about the USCG ships in the area. On the show I was able to get a hull number, 87341. Checking that, it was the USCGC Bonita WPB-87341 out of P-Cola. There was a second ship but I was unable to get the hull number. Maybe this is a repeat of info passed already but I thought I would pass it on. The process to sink the Big O was amazing.
BMCM Jones 3933 Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 22:15:24   70.119.225.106
Japan said on Wednesday it found radioactive matter from water samples taken around a U.S. nuclear-powered submarine off its eastern coast, but the amount was small and posed no harm to humans or the environment.
Two types of radioactive particles were found from the ocean water samples around the USS Honolulu shortly after it left Yokosuka, a U.S. navy base 45 km (30 miles) south of Tokyo, earlier this month, the official said.
Honolulu is on her final WESTPAC cruise and will return to Bremerton for deactivation.
BMCM Jones 3933 Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 22:12:19   70.119.225.106
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower Strike Group will deploy from Norfolk Naval Station on Tuesday for the Persian Gulf.
The Ike strike group’s other ships are the cruiser Anzio, the destroyers Ramage and Mason and the attack submarine Newport News; Carrier Air Wing 7 is deployed aboard the carrier.
The deployment is the first for the Eisenhower in six years. She spent nearly four years in Newport News, Va., receiving a mid-life refueling of its two nuclear reactors and a complex overhaul.
Stewart B. Milstein Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 18:38:55   12.75.163.41
bbl
Stewart B. Milstein Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 18:37:24   12.75.163.41
LB - missed you at the meeting last night. John gave me several hnundred covers for circuits. I hope to start getting them out this weekend.
Stewart B. Milstein Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 18:35:40   12.75.163.41
Hi LB. Are you on the train?
lbbrennan Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 18:23:29   38.117.188.10
There are 3 of us here now!
lbbrennan Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 17:55:44   38.117.188.10
No sign of life today.
Roger Wentworth Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 17:23:26   71.28.46.96
Hoot Hoot! It is kinda quiet lately here in the chat room.
lbbrennan Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 14:11:32   38.117.188.10
another quiet day -- I'll have to check for nightowls.
Dan Jacobs,or CCJake Tuesday, September 26, 2006 at 23:26:00   71.232.34.35
Rich Hoffner
Got your e-mail with the VF cancel attached, looks great.Need your new postal mailing address--THANKS for everything.
Ed Devlin,
Glad to hear the cover made it up the SE Expressway to you, and hope itsone you could use.
BMCM Jones 3933 Tuesday, September 26, 2006 at 21:52:12   70.119.225.106
The Navy is giving away some of its Cold War secrets - for free.The Sea Shadow, an experimental stealth ship, and the Hughes Mining Barge, built for the CIA in a failed super-secret scheme to raise a sunken Soviet missile sub, could become a tourist attraction near you.
As part of its ship donation program, the Navy will hand over the once top-secret vessels to a state, local government or non-profit group willing to open a floating museum with the vessels.
Ed Devlin Tuesday, September 26, 2006 at 20:50:08   12.76.173.57
CCJake - Cover arrived today. Thanks again.
Roger Wentworth Tuesday, September 26, 2006 at 17:47:12   71.28.46.96
I have been asked to consider running for the BOD of the USCS. All I need is for five folks to email Steve Shay and recommend that I be placed on the ballet. If any of you care to do this, I would greatly appreciate the gesture. Steve's email is shaymur@flash.net. Be sure to include your USCS membership number.
Roger Wentworth Tuesday, September 26, 2006 at 17:35:45   71.28.46.96
Hi Guys,
I got back covers fron USS MOUNT WHITNEY with nicely struck short bar killers. Also go covers back from USS BARRY with perfectly struck short bar killers. Mt. Whitney is on a Med Cruise, I believe, and Barry is in the Gulf War Area.Also got some more USS TEXAS FDCs from Galveston
lbbrennan Tuesday, September 26, 2006 at 16:53:49   38.117.188.10
What a quiet day around here. Everyone is outside enjoying summer's last great days.
lbbrennan Tuesday, September 26, 2006 at 10:59:40   38.117.188.10
maybe the USPS should revert to type Z cancels or magic markers
Duane Wilson Tuesday, September 26, 2006 at 09:50:40   204.124.92.254
Here is a letter (from the Virtual Stamp Club message board) regarding the "Old Ironsides" cancel debacle in Boston. It does not appear to address all of our covers that were returned unserviced.September 22, 2006
Dear Mr. Miller:
I have received your request for the pictorial cancellation of the "Old Glory Station". Unfortunately the cancellation device came to me with an incorrect zip code. Apparently the sponsoring agency did not follow the proper authorization procedure and approval from the Postmaster Boston to confirm the validity of the address for the cancel. I cannot cancel your cover with a non-existent zip code.
I have contacted United States Postal Service's Stamp Division to find out how to handle this situation. I would expect that the correct zip code for the site of "Old Ironsides" which is 02129 will be substituted for 02101.
Please let me know if you have your covers cancelled with the proper zip code or if you want me to return them to you. You will find an addressed return envelope enclosed.
Because of the mix up we will extend the window of time to cancel these covers which we received within the normal time fram for requesting the cancellation.
Sincerely,
Carolyn T. Derby
Manager Retail
Boston District
25 Dorchester Avenue, Room 4009
Boston, MA 02205-9600
John Lyding Tuesday, September 26, 2006 at 08:41:50   69.72.26.218
MIKE BROCK
Thanks for the definitive word
BMCM Jones 3933 Monday, September 25, 2006 at 22:53:23   70.119.225.106
Conferees agree $11 billion shipbuilding budgetA House-Senate conference has approved an FY2007 Defense Appropriations bill that includes a total of $11.0 billion for Navy shipbuilding and conversion. This includes $1.8 billion to purchase one Virginia-class submarine, $1.1 billion for one LHA(R) amphibious assault ship, $455 million for one T-AKE ammunition ship, and $521 million for two Littoral Combat Ships (LCSs). The recommendation funds the purchase of two lead DDG-1000 Zumwalt class destroyers [ this used to be the DD(X)], including $2.6 billion for this purpose.
BMCM Jones 3933 Monday, September 25, 2006 at 22:53:15   70.119.225.106
GRIDLEY will commission in Miami FL. I think the CO is from that area.
Mike Empey Monday, September 25, 2006 at 21:12:10   72.92.130.112
Got a cover from George Washington today USPS went to new heights to destroy it. The Naval postal clerk had placed the cachet on the back of the cover. For some reason USPS ran it through sorter upside down putting bar code across real nice cancellation and scraping a nice white headband across President Reagan's face on the stamp and generally mutilating the envelope. arghhhh! amybe they will do better when it costs 42 cents
Mike Empey Monday, September 25, 2006 at 21:07:00   72.92.130.112
Dan Goodwin got the Sampson cover today very nice many thanks!
Mike Empey Monday, September 25, 2006 at 21:05:15   72.92.130.112
Got the following in response to an inquiry to the San Diego Fleet Week website as to what ships would be participating:
Ship Tour Schedule
Sept. 27-30
USS Jeremiah O’Brien (retired Liberty Ship at the San Diego Maritime Museum)
Sept. 30-Oct. 1
USS Tarawa (LHA – Amphibious Assault Ship)
USS Pinckney (DDG – Destroyer)
Oct. 7-8
USS Vandergrift (FFG – Frigate)
USS Pearl Harbor (LSD – Dock Landing Ship)
The Port Of San Diego Sea & Air Parade
Presented By The San Diego Union-Tribune
Participating Ships
Tall Ship California
S.S. Jeremiah O'Brien
USS Princeton
USS Jarrett
USNS Navajo
USS Pearl Harbor
USS Higgins
USCGC Active
USS Nimitz
Stiletto
Lauren DiGeronimo
Senior Account Executive
Nuffer, Smith, Tucker, Inc.
707 Broadway, 19th Floor
San Diego, CA 92101
(619) 296-0605 ext. 247
(619) 296-8530 fax
http://www.nstpr.com
Partner, The WORLDCOM Public Relations Group
http://www.worldcomgroup.com
Mike Meister Monday, September 25, 2006 at 20:01:42   205.188.116.65
hi Dave
Dave Kent Monday, September 25, 2006 at 19:54:41   72.195.146.38
Thanks, Mike. Hi, Mike!
Mike Brock Monday, September 25, 2006 at 16:31:04   67.164.96.237
I called the Newport News PO and they do have a USS GEORGE BUSH Christening pictorial cancellation.US Postal Service
Susan West
101 25th St.
Newport News, VA 23607-9998
Mike Empey Monday, September 25, 2006 at 14:42:55   198.8.4.24
lb thanks for the postings
lbbrennan Monday, September 25, 2006 at 13:29:21   38.117.188.10
First Littoral Combat Ship ChristenedMARINETTE, Wis. (NNS) -- Thousands looked on Sept. 24 as the Navy christened and launched the nation's first littoral combat ship, Freedom (LCS-1), at the Marinette Marine shipyard.
“Just a little more than three years ago she was just an idea, now Freedom stands before us. And on this morning, we christen her, send her down the ways and get her ready to join the fleet next year,” said Adm. Mike Mullen, Chief of Naval Operations. “It comes none too soon, because there are tough challenges out there that only she can handle.”
The 377-foot Freedom is capable of speeds in excess of 40 knots and can operate in water less than 20 feet deep. The ship will act as a platform for launch and recovery of manned and unmanned vehicles. Its modular design will support interchangeable mission packages, allowing the ship to be reconfigured for antisubmarine warfare, mine warfare, or surface warfare missions on an as-needed basis.
“Until now, this vessel has been a part of the shipyard structure -- a mass of steel, cables and electronics. Today Freedom is a maritime vessel. She is on her way to joining our great Navy patrolling the vast oceans of our world,” said Delores Etter, Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Research, Development and Acquisition.
Freedom acknowledges the enduring foundation of our nation and honors American communities which bear the name Freedom. States having towns named Freedom include California, Indiana, Maine, New Hampshire, New York, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
But, as Mullen made clear, Freedom also acknowledges new challenges faced by the Navy in the war on terror and will complement the vision of a global “1,000-ship navy” built upon ad hoc maritime partnerships.
“Freedom will know how to fight, but she can also be a friend,” said Mullen. “I am convinced that if we pool resources together, as partners and friends, we can best tackle many of the tough maritime problems we face. The Freedom class will fit perfectly into such partnerships. Her shallow draft and agility will allow her to go, when asked -- deep into green and brown water -- where we, our allies, and emerging partners face some of the most difficult challenges.”
The christening ceremony included the traditional smashing of a champagne bottle across the ship's bow, performed by ship's sponsor Birgit Smith. The ship then made a dramatic side-launch into the Menominee River.
Smith is the wife of U.S. Army Sgt. 1st Class Paul Ray Smith, who was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor for bravery and gallantry above and beyond the call of duty in Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Mullen put Birgit Smith’s selection as sponsor into perspective for the assembled crowd by referring to a letter her husband wrote home from Iraq.
“When I think of his words ‘I am prepared to give all that I am’ and the way he did exactly that, it reminds me of the true high cost of living in America, the price of freedom,” he said. “Paul paid that debt for us. His valor reminds us that we must be ready to defend freedom whenever and wherever it is challenged.
“Ships also really do take on the spirit of their sponsor,” he continued. “And I for one will take great comfort that when Freedom’s crews sail into harm’s way your quiet strength will go with them.”
Freedom will be manned by one of two rotational crews, blue and gold, similar to the rotational crews assigned to Trident submarines. The crews will be augmented by one of three mission package crews during focused mission assignments.
The blue crew commanding officer is Cmdr. Donald Gabrielson, who was born in northern Minnesota and graduated from the U.S. Navy Academy in 1989. The gold crew commanding officer is Cmdr. Michael Doran, who was born in Harrisonville, Mo., and graduated from Villanova University in 1989.
Freedom will continue to undergo outfitting and testing at Marinette Marine. The ship will be commissioned in 2007 and eventually homeported in San Diego, Ca.
The second LCS, named Independence, is currently under construction at Bath Iron Work in Bath, Maine. General Dynamics Corporation is building Indepence to a different design than that of Freedom.
lbbrennan Monday, September 25, 2006 at 13:27:29   38.117.188.10
The long posting concerns the death of two USCG divers.In the Navy we routinely relieve the COs after major casualties pending investigation. Rarely are they reinstated.
lbbrennan Monday, September 25, 2006 at 13:26:53   38.117.188.10
Divers' deaths under polar ice remain mystery
POSTED: 6:53 p.m. EDT, September 24, 2006
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SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- Five hundred miles north of Alaska, a group of shipmates from the Coast Guard cutter Healy tossed a football on the blue-and-white, diamond-hard Arctic ice.Others snapped panoramic photos and took walks during the two-hour break, stretching their legs after a month aboard the 420-foot icebreaker.
Lt. Jessica Hill and Boatswain's Mate Steven Duque seized the chance for a training dive and slipped into a patch of open water near the Healy's bow. A team held ropes attached to the divers, lest they become disoriented under the ice. Several research scientists watched from the deck.
But no one knows what happened on the other end of those ropes on that cold, brilliant summer day -- except that both divers died.
The Coast Guard has started two investigations, relieved the Healy's captain, pulled all diving equipment off the ship and suspended all polar diving. But nothing has been said about what might have killed Hill, 31, and Duque, 22, on August 17, or when the investigations will conclude.
"We can get no word whatsoever, and that's tough," Hill's father, William Hill Jr., said. "We can't even get the death certificates."
The Healy was on a research mission backed by the National Science Foundation. On board were three dozen scientists collecting data that would help them map the ocean floor and study the Earth's crust to better understand earthquakes, tsunamis and plate tectonics.
Hill, the ship's marine science officer and a native of St. Augustine, Florida, was an experienced civilian diver before she joined the Coast Guard about four years ago. Her shipmates described her as a fun-loving officer who, during a trip to the North Pole last year, posed on the ice in a bikini by a red and white striped pole.
Duque, whose responsibilities included keeping the Healy's decks in order, operating machinery and driving launch boats, was from Miami, Florida. Colleagues said he was exceedingly professional and inspired others to take their jobs seriously.
Both attended the Navy's dive school, which is required of all Coast Guard divers.
The pair had been underwater for about 10 minutes, estimated Harm Van Avendonk, a University of Texas geophysics researcher, and something appeared to be wrong.
"I saw people from the bow looking intently down on the ice, and I sensed immediately that they didn't look relaxed," he said. "It was taking a long time for the divers to reappear."
In a blur, the crew's training took over, several witnesses said.
The divers were pulled up by the ropes. Blankets and stretchers were rushed onto the ice, and EMTs immediately began performing CPR. The divers were carried to the ship's sick bay, where they were pronounced dead roughly two hours after the dive.
"What I can tell you is this: These people were very well trained. Every time we did something we had to have a safety briefing," said Steve Stevenoski, a high school teacher from Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin, who was videotaping the frozen seascape when he heard shouts from the dive support team.
"There was an accident that was completely unforeseen," he said.
Captain relieved of duty
According to Coast Guard protocol, they would have created a "dive profile," detailing who was diving, how far down they were going and how long they would spend at various depths.
Typically such plans are drawn up by a ship's dive officer, though the captain is ultimately responsible for the safety of divers. That could explain why Capt. Douglas Russell was relieved of command less than two weeks later. Vice Adm. Charles D. Wurster, commander of the Coast Guard in the Pacific, said he had lost confidence in Russell.
The only signs of the tragedy during a recent tour of the ship were a grief counseling pamphlet on a table in the scientists' lounge and the locked and empty room where dive equipment was stored. The equipment was shipped to the Navy's dive school in Panama City, Florida, for examination.
One Coast Guard investigation is focusing on the root cause in hopes of preventing future accidents; the other is a broader administrative investigation that could result in findings of responsibility.
One investigator, a lieutenant, said Hill and Duque were the first Coast Guard divers to die underwater since the 1970s.
The Coast Guard described the dive as routine, but any dive in frigid waters beneath 4-feet-thick ice poses serious dangers. The cold can numb the extremities. Divers typically wear dry suits, which use air to help determine buoyancy. Such suits can balloon during ascents as pressure decreases -- if the diver doesn't release the air quickly enough, he or she can shoot toward the surface and crash into the ice.
They also must use equipment that can handle the cold, such as breathing regulators outfitted with rubberized covers filled with antifreeze.
The deaths were hard on the Healy's crew of 75, said Ensign Stephen Elliott, who was on the ice as part of the dive support team that day.
"These are people you watch movies with, eat with, joke around with," he said. "It's hard to explain to someone who doesn't live on a ship what it's like to be a shipmate. They were incredible shipmates."
Duane Wilson Monday, September 25, 2006 at 13:09:09   204.124.92.254
Thanks Mike!
Mike Brock Monday, September 25, 2006 at 12:07:08   67.164.96.237
Here you go Duane...601 25th St.
Galveston, TX 77550-9998
Mike Empey Monday, September 25, 2006 at 11:28:45   198.8.4.25
lb did not mean to suggest mean to suggest COs relief was unusual just that is serious and not done lightly
Duane Wilson Monday, September 25, 2006 at 10:42:49   204.124.92.254
Can someone provide the address for the USS Texas Commissioning cancel? I'm sure it is in here somewhere but I'm unable to locate it.
lbbrennan Monday, September 25, 2006 at 10:05:18   38.117.188.10
Sorry for double posting misfired my BlackBerry
lbbrennan Monday, September 25, 2006 at 10:04:17   38.117.188.10
Mike. I don't view relief of COs as unusual in cases of multiple fatalities. It was a temporary matter pending invest. I will try to post full article later
lbbrennan Monday, September 25, 2006 at 10:04:16   38.117.188.10
Mike. I don't view relief of COs as unusual in cases of multiple fatalities. It was a temporary matter pending invest. I will try to post full article later
Mike Empey Monday, September 25, 2006 at 08:57:38   198.8.4.24
lb that was the incident where the Co was relieved of command on the Healey. Did they give anymore insight with regards to why as we all know that is pretty drastic and not done lightly?
lbbrennan Monday, September 25, 2006 at 08:46:22   38.117.188.10
Dave why was naval postal censorship more strict in wwii?
lbbrennan Monday, September 25, 2006 at 08:44:45   38.117.188.10
AP article today discusses death of 2 USCG divers in arctic details light but seems unscheduled underice dive was fatal for one female and one enlisted man. First USCG diver fatality in 30 plus years
Mike Kaup Monday, September 25, 2006 at 02:06:08   63.24.26.118
Greg Ciesielski, of course they will. What do you think the rate increase is for?
Greg Ciesielski Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 23:37:05   66.56.252.233
With postage rates going up, does that mean the USPS fat cats will not get their fat bonuses this year?? Hmmmmm.....
Mike Brock Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 23:23:08   67.164.96.237
Has anyone heard of a Commissioning date for PCU NEW ORLEANS LPD-18? Seawaves states sometime in 2006. The PCU NEW ORLEANS web site states the ship will arrive in it's homeport of San Diego in 2007 with a possible homeport move to Japan later. Thanks.
Ed Devlin Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 22:27:32   12.76.174.135
And the USPS wonders why people use email and pay their bills online.
bill nestor Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 21:30:20   205.188.116.65
42 cents . Ouch. Time to look for another hobby?
Dave Kent Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 20:16:21   72.195.146.38
The Postal Service's public relations folks do not speak of a postage rate "increase," but rather a "rate change." Sounds so much nicer.
Mike Brock Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 20:07:49   67.164.96.237
I sent my covers to the PCU GRIDLEY at Bath because once the ship leaves the builders, who knows if my covers will catch up with the ship in time for Commissioning.
Mike Brock Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 20:01:17   67.164.96.237
Thanks Dan Goodwin & Dave Kent regarding the postal rate increase. You are correct Dan the GRIDLEY will not be Commissioned at Bath. I heard Miami or San Diego.
John Lyding Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 18:25:34   69.72.30.220
Roger
I have not received Jacksonville and Kerntucky from Groton. I did receive all the others.
Herb Rommel Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 18:23:51   68.0.217.179
David Kent's explation of z cancels and name cancels is insructive; thank you
Herb Rommel Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 18:20:56   68.0.217.179
NYTimes 9/24 "A stark assessment of terror9ism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islanic radiocalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown."
Dave Kent Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 16:54:47   72.195.146.38
The people I spoke to in the Postal Service (who are the same people Linn's spoke to) said they expect the postage rate increase in the May to July time frame. The increase will probably be to 42 cents.
Dan Goodwin Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 16:26:49   24.198.61.120
Also, I doubt that GRIDLEY will be commissioned at Bath.
Dan Goodwin Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 16:23:02   24.198.61.120
Mike Brock, postage probably won't increase until mid year according to an article in LINNS STAMP NEWS.
Mike Brock Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 14:07:16   67.164.96.237
I forgot...I did receive USS WYOMING covers from Groton also.
Mike Brock Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 14:05:00   67.164.96.237
I am sending covers to Bath, ME for the Commissioning Day of DDG-101 but I am concern the first-class postage will increase before the Commissioning in Feb.
Mike Brock Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 14:02:44   67.164.96.237
Out of the group you listed from Groton I have received USS DALLAS.
Roger Wentworth Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 14:00:46   71.28.41.142
Got my USS TEXAS covers back from Galveston on saturday. Very nicely done.Is Groton still dead in the water for pictorial cancels?? I have still not recieved the following: USS Jacksonville, USS Dallas, USS Kentucky, USS Wyoming, and USS Alexandria. Surely they have some one up there who can process all of our requests by now??
Mike Brock Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 14:00:44   67.164.96.237
I have not heard for sure if a CVN-77 Christening pictorial cancel is available. Maybe we can find out tomorrow when the PO is open.
Mike Brock Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 13:58:07   67.164.96.237
Hi Roger...USS TR CVN-71 20th Anniversary is next month...I am sending out covers tomorrow.
Roger Wentworth Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 13:52:12   71.28.41.142
Mike Brock,
Thank you for the S.D. address!
Now if we can just get a definate address for the Newport News for the CVN-77 Christening.
Dave Kent Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 12:35:46   72.195.146.38
Elgin: you have sharp eyes. Yes, I have more covers that Uncle Sid mailed to Gramdma and Grandpa while he was in Vietnam, and also some from Germany. Email me: kentdave@aol.com and we'll work something out.
Uncle Sid would have been the first to tell you he was no hero (mostly worked in Army training assignments), but he was buried in Arlington National Cemetery when he died. Guess you don't have to be a hero to get there, just give 20+ years of devoted service to your country.
John Lyding Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 10:04:35   69.72.27.16
USS TEXAS covers arrived from Galveston yesterday. Great cancels.
After winning by one point a week ago, Navy lost by one point yesterday.
esink Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 09:31:18   71.230.37.46
Dave Kent: I had bid on your EBAY auction 150034767886 because the item was from your relative MSGT Sidney Gelber of whom we had a connection with at Manlius where I went to high school. I overlooked how soon the auction was ending and lost. Do you have any more FREE mail from him when he was in NAM?
BMCM Jones 3933 Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 00:54:02   70.119.225.106
Duane
Thanks for the GRAPPLE cover with the full cachet. it arrived from Norfolk Friday.
Dave Kent Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 22:45:22   72.195.146.38
You could always trust a launch at Electric Boat in Groton to be on time. They had to launch at high tide or the boat would stick in the mud at the bottom of the river (only a mile or so up the river from Long Island Sound). We once missed a launch, USS INDIANAPOLIS. We just assumed the launch would at at 11:00 a.m. as usual, but they chose a launch date of July 30 (the date the cruiser sank), and high tide was 9:20 that morning.
esinkj Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 22:27:57   71.230.37.46
Roger W. / Best wishes to you in your recovery which I hope is speedy. / Elgin
Gregory A. Mews Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 21:06:39   24.209.127.18
I also don't know if the Newport News will have a special cancel for the USS GHW Bush. I did get their phone number and address, I'd call them to see if they have a special cancel, but..........its Saturday night.
USPS
101 25th St.
Newport News, VA 23607-9998
phone 757-247-0841
Gregory A. Mews Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 21:00:52   24.209.127.18
Had the opportunity to see the launch and christening of the USS Freedom in Marinette, Wisconsin today. She made a great splash upon her christening. In Marinette they still do the launches the old fashioned way, no float-outs. The Freedom will be homeported in San Diego next year upon her commissioning.
I did send covers to the Marinette post office for cancels. For some reason the post office sent them to the shipyard and I received a phone call from a shipyard rep last Monday wondering what she should do with the covers. Looks like she will meter-cancel the covers, hopefully with a shipyard company logo on it. The launch ceremony ran late, she was supposed to be in the water around 11 a.m. and I was hoping to make a trip to the Marinette post office afterwards, before its noon closing. The Freedom didn't slide down untill around 11:40 Central Time. Skys were overcast at the time.
Dave Kent Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 20:28:14   72.195.146.38
The Navy and the Post Office had a big fight during WW II over the use of "name" cancels. The Navy wanted all mute US NAVY postmarks, while the Post Office insisted on name cancels on registered mail and money orders (needless to say, although we can find registered covers today, uncashed money orders are few and far between). The Navy finally won in the fall of 1944 when they came up with the Branch Number cancel, which had a secret mumber assigned to each ship. They actually tried to convert all ships to Branch Numbers in the spring of 1945, but by then there were so many ships with Name cancels aboard that they never finshed the job.
The Post Office ultimately won the battle, however. The rule from the beginning on soldier's and sailot's mail said that the sender's full return address had to be on the piece of mail, making any mute postmark pretty silly. The British said no identification of the ship's name on the piece of mail, which is why you don't see big collections of British sailors' mail from the war.
Mike Empey Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 20:16:40   72.92.130.112
Thanks for input so far on NNS effort.I kick myself as I worked at NNSD when I first graduated from school but was not pursuing hobby at that time. Worked as Nuke MTE on TR CVN 71 from launch to builders trial, worked on Nimitz, Vinson, IKE, Washington, and Lincoln as member of the A4W RPPY. missed alot of opportunities to get covers etc..
Received covers from Vinson today nice cancellation which as usual USPS did best to mess up, but no cachet, probably because of RCOH period. working on a cover for that now.
Getting ready to watch ND and BC games go Irish!!!
Ed Devlin Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 19:41:55   12.76.173.115
Hi Bill and Mike
Dan Jacobs,or CCJake Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 19:03:48   71.232.34.35
Ed D.
Have your"snail mail addy", will get it out to you on Monday. Glad you can use it.
Roger W.
Nice to see you back aboard, now just don't over do.
Ed Devlin Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 18:36:13   12.76.173.115
CCJake - Yes, I'd be glad to have it. Do you still have either my email or slow mail address? I lost all my email addresses last week due to a computer virus.
Ed Devlin Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 18:33:29   12.76.173.115
I worked with a guy that served on the Trenton back in the 70's. I guess us taxpayers got our monies worth out of the Austin class LPD's.
lbbrennan Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 17:53:39   38.117.188.10
Dave most if not all of my wwii type 9s are on the reverse of official mail. With return addresses on the front and ships' names in the cancels on the reverse guess ONI thought the Germans and Japanese would be confused by the type Zs
Dave Kent Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 16:46:16   72.195.146.38
For years the PR guy at Newport News was a USCS member who made sure there were special cancels, official shipyard covers and so on. Since he retired things are a bit spacey down there. We still have a USCS member and collector in Norfolk who does a great job with pictorical cancels, but that's on the other side of the river.
lbbrennan Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 15:05:16   38.117.188.10
Mike I'm not sure but guess it will be a pictorial cancel at the newport news po. Don't think the yard or the precomm crew have much involvement. Bet someone will have the correct answer
Mike Empey Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 14:08:30   72.92.130.112
Ok folks, stupid newbie question re:Christening of CVN 77 at Newport News, what type of cancellation might be available and who does it go to Postmaster of NN, shipyard's PAO, or SOS NN?Have cover I made up using NNSD graphic (90,000 Tons of Diplomacy) and would really like to get it postmarked. I await sage guidance and hopefully no disdain.
I just got cover I sent to Dolphin in anticipation of decomm back with cachet and cancellation so will have to reload and try again for decomm.
Mike Empey Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 14:03:09   72.92.130.112
Dan Goodwin Thanks!
Mike Brock Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 13:16:37   67.164.96.237
Thanks Rich...but I still think it's stinks. After Decommissioning the USS TRENTON LPD-14 will be transfered to the Indian Navy in January.
Rich Hoffner Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 13:03:52   151.197.185.39
Mike B, the Brest Cancer semi-postal keeps getting extended by the USPS. Not so for the 9-11 semi-postal.
Mike Brock Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 13:00:25   67.164.96.237
Roger good to have you back. Glad you are on the rebound.I have not heard yet about a San Diego Fleet Week pictorial cancel, but I will list the USS DOLPHIN. Most pictorial cancel events in San Diego go to this same address so it might/should be the same one for Fleet Week.
P.O. Box 85530
San Diego, CA 92186-5530
Dan Goodwin Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 09:02:49   24.198.61.120
Roger, Glad to see you back and that you are feeling better. Take it slow and easy.
Roger Wentworth Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 08:17:50   71.28.41.142
Ed Devlin,
Nope, it wasn't Brenda! LOL!
Roger Wentworth Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 08:16:41   71.28.41.142
INFO NEEDED:
What is the address for the pictorial cancel being used for the USS DOLPHIN decom. ALSO, what is the address for Fleet Week San Diego pictorials?
Roger Wentworth Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 08:12:49   71.28.41.142
Hi Guys,
Thank you for all the emails in the past few days! Makes a body feel good to know that his fellows are concerned.
Dave Kent Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 00:53:32   72.195.146.38
Type 9 cancels used during WW II had the ship's name in them, but they were not supposed to be used on the face of a cover or to cancel stamps. That rule was dropped somewhere in the 1950s.
Dan Jacobs,or CCJake Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 00:07:28   71.232.34.35
Ed D.Going through a lot of covers I purchased from Capt. Rommel found a Boston Navy Yard cover from the USS John King DDG3
Yours if you want it.
Dan Jacobs,or CCJake Friday, September 22, 2006 at 23:50:44   71.232.34.35
Roger W.
Hope you make a full and speedy recovery
Mike Brock Friday, September 22, 2006 at 21:29:03   67.164.96.237
Heh wait a minute....remember the New York Postal Service refused my 9-11 postage stamps because they consider them 2-cents short for First-Class postage today??? The Postal Service is still selling the Breast Cancer postage stamps for 45-cents each (same cost as the 9-11 stamps) and they can be used for First-Class postage today.
Dan Goodwin Friday, September 22, 2006 at 21:09:18   24.198.61.120
Mike Empey, your cover will be mailed in the morning. Thanks.
Ed Devlin Friday, September 22, 2006 at 20:06:50   12.76.173.54
Looks like the ships for San Francisco Fleet Week Oct 5 are as follows:Nimitz CVN68
Bonhomme Richard LHD6
John Paul Jones DDG53
Higgins DDG76
Chafee DDG90
Princeton CG59
USCGC Steadfast WMEC623
HMCS Edmonton MM703
HMCS Brandon MM710
HMCS Saskatoon MM709
Ed Devlin Friday, September 22, 2006 at 18:12:46   12.76.172.212
Get well, Roger.
Hope it wasn't brought on by the new girlfriend. lol
john hembree Friday, September 22, 2006 at 17:33:52   67.33.162.69
Mike,That is the address I thought, but wasn't sure. I guess we can assume there will be a pictorial postmark for the occassion. Thanks again.
john hembree Friday, September 22, 2006 at 17:29:59   67.33.162.69
Roger,
Hope you are recovering well-you should be ok-I've have had 3 attacks and a stroke and still here.
Mike Brock Friday, September 22, 2006 at 17:04:08   67.164.96.237
USS TEXAS SSN-775 Commissioning covers arrived today in Oregon from Galveston, Texas. Great looking cancel.
Mike Brock Friday, September 22, 2006 at 17:02:45   67.164.96.237
Have a speedy recovery Roger.
SteveShay Friday, September 22, 2006 at 16:08:37   65.213.44.9
Best wishes Roger and take it easy.
Dan Goodwin Friday, September 22, 2006 at 14:41:49   24.198.61.120
Glad to hear that Roger is OK.
lbbrennan Friday, September 22, 2006 at 14:35:51   38.117.188.10
Happy New Year -- Happy Rosh Hashanah -- to all.
lbbrennan Friday, September 22, 2006 at 14:35:11   38.117.188.10
Hi Larry,
Just got back home today. Had a heart attack the first week in September. Have spent the last weeks at a friends house. I am doing fine now. Still have to be careful not to over exert myself. You may pass this along to the chat room guys if you care to.
Be Well,
Roger
John Lyding Friday, September 22, 2006 at 14:28:07   69.72.27.131
Hi Roger
Stewart B. Milstein Friday, September 22, 2006 at 14:09:52   12.75.162.209
A Happy, Healthy and Peaceful New Year to all those celebrrating Rosh Hashanah.
Stewart B. Milstein Friday, September 22, 2006 at 14:09:21   12.75.162.209
The Sales Circuit is in dire need of circuit material in all categories. If you cannot get covers to me by Oct 15th, then please send themn to me in AZ at PO Box 1051, Cortaro AZ 85652.
lbbrennan Friday, September 22, 2006 at 12:43:25   38.117.188.10
USS Dewey did not sink in the Halsey typhoons.
lbbrennan Friday, September 22, 2006 at 12:43:04   38.117.188.10
Historic Soviet shipwreck 'found'
By James Rodgers
BBC News, Moscow
The Chelyuskin became trapped in ice in December 1933
Russian divers say they have found the wreck of a Soviet ship which sank attempting a historic journey along the Arctic coast in 1934.
The Chelyuskin was trapped in ice as it tried to complete a voyage from Murmansk in north-western Russia to Vladivostok in the Pacific Ocean.
It was supposed to show that a normal vessel - rather than an icebreaker - could complete the journey.
More than 100 of the crew were rescued by pilots who were hailed as heroes.
'Triumph'
The Chelyuskin was supposed to make history. It did, but not for the reason that Soviet propagandists had had in mind.
Russia's north coast is free of ice for only a few months in the summer.
It makes delivering vital supplies to Arctic communities a huge challenge.
As the Chelyuskin neared the end of its journey in December 1933, it became trapped in ice.
It sank in February 1934. But a failure became a triumph after the rescue operation.
After an unsuccessful attempt to find the Chelyuskin two years ago, divers say they have now located it.
Artefacts from the wreck are to be sent to Denmark, where the ship was built, to confirm its identity.
lbbrennan Friday, September 22, 2006 at 09:32:59   38.117.188.10
Herb should read HALSEY's typhoons
lbbrennan Friday, September 22, 2006 at 09:31:48   38.117.188.10
Herb was Dewey one of the dds lost in galart's typhoons?
lbbrennan Friday, September 22, 2006 at 09:30:20   38.117.188.10
Face and herb. Most of the type 9s from wwii have ships' names in the device.
lbbrennan Friday, September 22, 2006 at 09:29:02   38.117.188.10
Steve S kiddnapping by mermaids could be a serious maritime offense. Seriously, hope Roger is ok
Best regards. Larry
Mike Empey Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 21:37:54   71.161.216.240
Hospital ship USNS Mercy (T-AH 19).entered Pearl Harbor yesterday
Dave Kent Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 21:10:23   72.192.31.239
Herb: I assume you mean the use of "name" cancels (with the ship's name in it) during the war, when supposedly all ships were supposed to use only generic US NAVY postmarks. Yes, I've seen a few. DEWEY comes to mind. Wonder where I might have put that one?
Herb Rommel Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 20:20:10   68.0.217.179
Bill Payden has shown me a USS Belknap 1944 cover from a S1c with type 3 postmark (and censor). I have seen philatelic WWII t-3 but have never heard of others. Are there others out there?
Mike Brock Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 20:04:12   67.164.96.237
John...I'm not sure but I believe the address is:101 25th St.
Newport News, VA 23607-9998
Can anyone confirm? Thanks
Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 19:56:00   12.75.161.170
Ed - great question about Governors Island. I will have to give it some thought, or aI could form a committee to invcestigate the options and then do nothing until the committee reports.
John Hembree Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 19:50:02   67.33.162.69
Mike or Rich,
I hate to be a pest, but do you'all have an address for the Christening of the GEORGE H.W. BUSH? Thanks again!
Mike Brock Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 19:11:28   67.164.96.237
The US Navy web site has a couple of photos posted of the FREEDOM LCS-1 under construction. Nice looking ship.
John Hembree Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 18:41:36   67.33.162.69
Rich,
Got the address-thanks again!
SteveShay Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 17:33:36   65.213.44.9
Very clever Larry.
SteveShay Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 17:28:13   65.213.44.9
Perhaps a lighter note on Navy happenings:NORFOLK, Va. (AP) - A 56-year-old ban on tattoo parlours has been lifted in this navy town.
City council approved an ordinance Tuesday allowing tattoo parlours in certain parts of the city, home to the world's largest naval base. The ordinance restricts parlours to a few industrial zones and downtown.
The move came after courts ruled that cities may no longer prohibit tattoo parlours.
Sixty years ago, Norfolk's East Main Street was world-famous for its tattoo parlours, taverns and burlesque palaces. In 1945, there were about a dozen parlours.
That ended in 1950 when city council banned all tattoo parlours. Tattoos were branded unsanitary, vulgar, even "cannibalistic."
Tattoos have become heavily regulated by the navy. It forbids tattoos in places not covered by the uniform and regulates the types of tattoos sailors may have.
Mike Empey Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 15:17:37   198.8.4.24
SAN DIEGO (NNS) -- The Chinese crew of the People’s Liberation Army (Navy) (PLA(N)) destroyer Qingdao (DDG 113) and U.S. Navy Sailors from the USS Shoup (DDG 86) and Torpedo Weapon Recovery Vessel Swamp Fox (821) conducted a Search and Rescue Exercise (SAREX) off the coast of Southern California Sept. 20.The Chinese vessels next visit Canada then I believe the Phillipines.
lbbrennan Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 15:08:14   38.117.188.10
Where is Roger W, the whole world wonders?
lbbrennan Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 15:07:49   38.117.188.10
Here is some news about awards to servicemembers ercently."The fight for freedom has been and always will be continual," Marine Gen. Peter Pace said at the annual Keeper of the Flame dinner at Union Station. "What makes me feel so good about the future of our country is the five individuals standing behind me tonight, because they truly are the future of our country."
The five servicemembers -- one from each branch of the military -- were honored at the end of the dinner, which is hosted by the Center for Security Policy.
Honored were:
-- Army Sgt. Micheaux Sanders, of Goldsboro, N.C. On April 4, 2004, at 19, then-Spc. Sanders responded with his tank crew to aid a patrol caught in an ambush by insurgents in Iraq. Despite being low on ammunition, Sanders repeatedly exposed himself to danger, firing whatever he could find and eventually throwing rocks at the enemy, all the while ignoring a bullet wound in his arm. For his actions, Sanders was awarded the Silver Star.
-- Marine Capt. Brian Chontosh, of Rochester, N.Y. While serving as a platoon commander in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom on March 25, 2003, Chontosh and his platoon encountered a coordinated ambush in a blocked road. Chontosh single-handedly cleared more than 200 meters of an enemy trench, using his own weapons and discarded enemy weapons to kill more than 20 enemy soldiers and disable many more. For his actions, Chontosh was awarded the Navy Cross.
-- Navy Petty Officer 3rd Class Luis Fonseca, of Fayetteville, N.C. During a March 23, 2003, battle in Nasiriyah, Iraq, Fonseca, a hospital corpsman, raced through mortar, rocket-propelled-grenade and small-arms fire, tending to wounded Marines, even carrying a 200-pound injured Marine on his back for more than 200 yards to safety. Fonseca flagged down a vehicle to evacuate his patients and then returned to the fight after briefing battalion aid station personnel. For his actions, Fonseca was awarded the Navy Cross.
-- Air Force Tech. Sgt. Stephen Achey, of Sumter, S.C. While serving as a terminal attack commander and control specialist with an Army infantry unit during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan, Achey's team was ambushed by enemy fire. In the attack, Achey's radio was damaged by a mortar blast. To salvage this vital piece of equipment, Achey ran across the fully exposed battlefield and retrieved the gear amid a hail of enemy fire. Using the radio, Achey was able to coordinate a gunship and fighter attack that destroyed numerous enemy positions and facilitated the evacuation of his wounded comrades. For his actions, Achey was awarded the Silver Star.
-- Coast Guard Lt. j.g. Bradley Middleton, of Davidsonville, Md. In June 2005, Middleton assumed the duties of executive officer for the U.S. Coast Guard cutter Maui, deployed to the Arabian Gulf in support of operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom. Over the course of his one-year tour, Middleton spent more than 5,000 hours under way in Iraqi waters and completed more than 100 vessel boardings to ensure the safety of coalition forces off the coast of Iraq. For his service, Middleton was awarded the Coast Guard Commendation Medal with Operational Distinguishing Device.
Speaking earlier at the dinner, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said America is fortunate to have servicemembers like those honored, who volunteer to go into harm's way and defend the country.
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 11:34:20   151.197.185.39
Good news about Germany. Can't imagine how many or when France was going to show up!
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 11:32:24   151.197.185.39
Old Town Philatelic Center address:Postmaster
Old Town Philatelic Center
P O Box 85530
San Diego CA 92186-5530
Not sure who took over when Mr. Bongard left. Phone number is 619-758-7121.
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 11:25:27   151.197.185.39
Elgin - presently using Verizon DSL. Nice savings over all other services I had in the past, of course coupled with my phone service. I am considering adding Direct TV when I move (offered via phone line by Verizon) when I move. On Norton, I am getting strange messages from my Windows program, telling me to uninstall and reinstall Norton because it does not support the repair feature. Guess another call is needed.
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 11:20:03   151.197.185.39
A Belgian member looking for addresses:Sea SLICE (HSV)
SEA JET (AESD)
SEA SHADOW IX-529
USAV SPEARHEAD (TSV-X1)
IX-532 JOINT VENTURE (HSV-X1)
USS SWIFT (HSV-2)
SEA FIGHTER (FSF-1)
I doubt that any of the above have FPO numbers assigned, but perhaps there are local commands that the vessels operate under and perhaps that is how to reach these vessels. Any help appreciated. Thanks.
Mike Empey Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 10:35:39   198.8.4.24
(09/21/2006) 8 German warships set sail for Lebanon WILHELMSHAVEN, Germany - Germany began its biggest naval operation since World War II on Thursday as eight warships set sail for the eastern Mediterranean to help the U.N. keep the peace in Lebanon. The first of the ships, the frigate Karlsruhe, pulled away from the dock at the North Sea port at Wilhelmshaven and moved smoothly across the calm harbor after a farewell ceremony. The German force of two frigates, two support vessels and four fast patrol boats, along with three ships from Denmark, are to arrive off the Lebanese coast in 10 to 14 days (Oct 1st -5th). ………. Germany is taking charge of a multinational naval task force with a mandate to prevent arms shipments from reaching Hezbollah — a key component of the cease-fire agreement. The naval detachment is led by the 459-foot frigate Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, equipped with a 76 mm cannon and space for two patrol helicopters. Parliament approved the deployment on Wednesday, although some lawmakers voted against it because of misgivings linked to Germany's Nazi past and the Holocaust. Chancellor Angela Merkel ruled out sending combat troops to Lebanon in an attempt to ensure that no German soldiers could get caught up in any confrontation with Israeli forces. Parliament approved a mandate allowing the deployment of up to 2,400 service personnel. Germany is also sending police and customs officers to advise and train Lebanese security forces on tightening border controls.
lbbrennan Thursday, September 21, 2006 at 01:17:20   38.117.188.10
Bmcm welcome back.
Ed Devlin Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 21:58:22   12.76.172.12
Stewart - What would you do with Governors Island?
BMCM Jones 3933 Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 21:36:50   70.119.225.106
Cigarettes in Vancouver were $6.57 for a pack of 20.
My uncle in Ontario still rolls his own 5 at a time.
BMCM Jones 3933 Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 21:32:40   70.119.225.106
Got back from my cruise down from Alaska last night.
Island Princess was great. Even ran into some sea state 4 and 5 seas for a little rolling. Nothing like the Navy, though!
lbbrennan Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 20:35:47   38.117.188.10
Good evening from ohare. Just 5 hours to go on this trip
Stewart B. Milstein Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 19:30:00   12.75.162.80
Ed - the Fed Govt will sell Governors Island for $1.00. The catch is that the historic northern third of the island must be preserved. There have been plans for luxury high rises, a convention center, housing for the homeless and a new campus for NY Uiversity.
This summer there were free ferry rides to the island for tourism. The northwest section of the island along the sea wall has the best views of the famous lower Manhattan skyline.
Stewart B. Milstein Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 19:25:13   12.75.162.80
Hi Ed.
Ed Devlin Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 19:15:31   12.76.172.208
Shawn Pelkey - Due to computer problems I have lost your email address. Pls send again to EJD741@att.net
Ed Devlin Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 18:45:06   12.76.173.98
Rumor has it that a sailor by the name of Popeye has died of starvation.
Ed Devlin Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 18:42:57   12.76.173.98
Rich - I guess the British occupation of India finally paid off for them in that being able to speak English they can now explain to us how to operate our computers. Even the young tech that came to the house yesterday was from India.
esink Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 18:40:34   71.230.37.46
Rich:
If you ever consider COMCAST cable internet, McAfee is given to you...about a $140 value / Elgin
John Hembree Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 13:07:15   67.33.162.69
Rich,
I greatly appreciate it.
Rich Hoffner Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 10:22:33   151.197.185.39
Ed - made the calls to India on several occasions. Last call was interesting, I had problems with Norton and when I made the call, I was listening to a gentlemen who's voice was filtered through a computer program that made his speech much easier to understand. I complimented him on the new technology. Bototm line, he did get me back on the right track. Seems Norton already abandoned their updates for a virus program of three years ago, and so I purchased a "new" version, that I suspect they will abandon upgrades for in three or so years.
Rich Hoffner Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 10:16:49   151.197.185.39
John - I am between houses at the present, will have to look it up at the other house.
John Hembree Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 01:42:40   68.154.33.238
Rich Hoffner,
I have been unable to locate the Old Town Philatelic Center address in San Diego-Do you have it?
Ed Devlin Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 22:58:03   12.76.172.3
Stewart - I was on Governors Island once back when the Coast Guard was there.
What a piece of real estate!!!!
Ed Devlin Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 22:54:39   12.76.172.3
Mike Empey - Pomeroy is still in the drydock.
There were 5 drydocks in the old Navy Yard. #1, 2, and 5 were in the main yard at Charlestown and #3 and 4 were in South Boston.
# 2, 4 and 5 are just about history. # 1 however is still used for drydockings of Old Ironsides and others. This dock goes back to Andrew Jacksons days in the White House. Dock #3 survives because of it's huge size. I believe that it is one of the two largest drydocks on the east coast. QEII was in there once.
Dan Goodwin Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:46:04   24.198.61.120
No, president of the USA
lbbrennan Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:39:49   38.117.188.10
Is this a start of draft Stewart for president of the USCS?
lbbrennan Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:37:36   38.117.188.10
Greg thankfully the cell phones have off buttons a necessary thing at meetings, movies and church
lbbrennan Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:35:32   38.117.188.10
Midtown Manhattan is a mess for all forms of human life. A good night to walk from grand central to Penn sta. Guess my crackberry isn't technically wifi but my daughter's laptop is. She spent hours last month around midnight outside the closed starbuck's to get their signal after they closed. This machine works most places. Now I'm on new jersey transit between NEWARK and the airport. Surprisingly few nulls
Greg Ciesielski Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:32:58   66.56.252.233
Stewart, I have a cell phone, how does it work? Seriously, I have one for my use, not for everybody to call me when I am enjoying my quiet time. I still prefer land lines for phones but hi-speed isp's are the cat's meow!
Dan Goodwin Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:25:03   24.198.61.120
Mike, any stamp will do fine.
Mike Empey Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:22:55   71.161.216.240
Dan Goodwin . Thanks will do any preference between a Reagan or Purple Heart stamp?
Dan Goodwin Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:21:15   24.198.61.120
Stewart, if you run for President you have my vote.Mike Empry, send me a SASE plus one 39 cent stamp to: Dan Goodwin, 134 Maple Street, North Berwick, ME 03906
Mike Empey Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:20:20   71.161.216.240
Stewart yes I recogized you did not have the WiFi but the availability is greater living in NYC area. We have it in spots up here but very few. Cell phone coverage up here(southern VT) is terrible except in ski areas.I use to have the cell for work and when I changed jobs they took it away, I have not missed it at all. Still have a pager so people can get ahold of me in an emergency but only if I want to acknowledge them. Though I have noticed it is hard to find a pay phone sometimes, so usually I bum some other poor souls cell to make calls home if the wife pages me.
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:13:27   12.75.161.191
bbl - time to peruse the overpriced items on eBay.
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:12:28   12.75.161.191
I have no WiFi connection. You're thinking of Larry Brennan. I do not like the idea of living at the end of an electronic leash. It bothers the dickens out of my daughters that I carry a cell phone but never turn it on.
Mike Empey Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:09:56   71.161.216.240
Stewart I was just about to say how jealous I was of guys who can get WiFi hooks up while riding on trains or sitting in Baseball stadiums vice living out in the boonies. Guess there are pro and cons to both.
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:08:35   12.75.161.191
Good evening, gentlemen. No I was not trapped in Midtown Manhattan nor will I be. I am a democrat (with a small "d"). I would make every elected official use public transportation. As for non-elected foreign heads of state, it is our ballpark so you play by our rules.
Stewart B. Milstein Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:07:01   12.75.161.191
I propose that the UN be relocated to Governors Island in NY Harbor. There is adequite housing, though it is of Civil War-era construction, to hold all these world '"leaders." The circular dives will allow for endless motorcades of entourages. The benefit is that it would free up parking space in NYC and end frozen zones for both pedestrians and cars in midtown Manhattan. You might also have the wonderful chance to see the answer to the question of what happens if they hold a world conference and no one attaends.
Mike Empey Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 19:06:38   71.161.216.240
Ed nope! just my fat fingers or bad eyesight caused the 4 vice 3. The stamp on the cover says USNS POMEROY arched around top, OFFICIAL over CG056556 with stars on either side across the middle and CAPTAIN arched around the bottom. The USPS Postal Cancellation says Providence RI.Do you know are they still in Boston or did they ship out again.
Sorry to hear about you computer problems they can make life easy or annoying.
Are you member of Old Ironsides Chapter? I was for a very short while back in high school my Dad is friendly with Bill V.
Ed Devlin Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 18:57:38   12.76.172.3
Mike Empey - I hope the covers didn't say Drydok #4 as the ships are repaired in drydock #3.
Ed Devlin Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 18:56:20   12.76.172.3
I now join those of you that have had computer problems. Calls to India, tech house visit, etc. Still can't get into my email. Lost all downloaded programs, bookmarks, and email files.Maybe Roger is having computer problems. When you do you are out of touch with the world.
Mike Empey Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 18:48:37   71.161.216.240
Hi Ed
Mike Empey Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 18:46:37   71.161.216.240
Dan Goodwin - I would like to get one of those extra Sampson Christening covers Thanks Mie Empey
Mike Brock Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 17:31:57   67.164.96.237
The "keeper of the envelopes" has reorder a new batch without the gum flap.
lbbrennan Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 16:29:08   38.117.188.10
Roger has been "UA" for a while. Perhaps he'll be back soon. We have some folks who are regulars for a while and then disappear to return and leave again. Hope to see Roger and our librarian friend from Mass. soon.
Dan Goodwin Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 12:40:58   24.198.61.120
Should be "has" been AWOL.
Dan Goodwin Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 12:40:09   24.198.61.120
Anyone know why Roger Wentworth had been AWOL?
Dan Goodwin Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 11:52:31   24.198.61.120
Received SAMPSON christening covers today from Bath, Maine. They did not use the "City of Ships" postmark as requested and no explanation. It made me a little ugly although I know this cancel was not authorized initially and pressure has been applied to stop using it. Was anyone luckier than I? I have 7 extras if anyone wants one. First 7 requests on the chat gets them for SASE and one 39 cent stamp.
John Lyding Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 10:19:36   69.72.30.62
Mike Brock Wait for the right envelopes.
Dan Goodwin Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 07:36:23   24.198.61.120
Mike Empry - I don't believe the post office has been established yet on SAMPSON DD-102. She was christened last Saturday but float off isn't scheduled until sometime this week. Obviously there is no crew aboard yet.
Greg Ciesielski Monday, September 18, 2006 at 23:35:00   66.56.252.233
Hi Mike!
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, September 18, 2006 at 20:11:38   12.75.162.81
bbl
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, September 18, 2006 at 20:11:29   12.75.162.81
I would wait for them to ship the right kind of covers.
Stewart B. Milstein Monday, September 18, 2006 at 20:09:32   12.75.162.81
Hi Mike.
Mike Empey Monday, September 18, 2006 at 18:05:26   71.161.216.240
John Young Did you get package from me OK!
Mike Empey Monday, September 18, 2006 at 18:04:52   71.161.216.240
Received covers back from USNS Pomeroy (in DD 4 at South Boston) today not really ship cancellation but stamped with Stamp from the Ships Captain. Sent these covers via the Boston Ship Repairers address which I posted previously. Clean crisp stamp any way and they came back quick.Did anyone get or know if it was possible to get a cancellation from the Sampson (DDG 102) Christening at Bath Saturday. I sent covers to the PCU unit via the SOS Bath. Got back the covers sealed with return address from PCU. When carefully opened with razor, found that the card stock liner I used had been autographed by the Ships Supply and Weapons officer with a Ships Seal Decal affixed and another included. They also placed a copy of Shipyard employee announcement about the Christening. Personally I am happy with that but was wondering if there was a cancellation available at the Christening.
I also got nice cover back from the RV Delaware II out of Woods Hole today autographed and stamped by the captain.
Mike Brock Monday, September 18, 2006 at 17:46:13   67.164.96.237
We can also accept the envelopes with the gum flaps.
Mike Brock Monday, September 18, 2006 at 17:37:58   67.164.96.237
I contacted the envelope company and it seems everything is mixed-up. The guy who took the order no longer works there...the envelopes have not been shipped...and they put gum on the flaps. To reorder the envelopes it will take another 3 weeks. Should I reorder the envelopes?
Rich Hoffner Monday, September 18, 2006 at 13:35:12   151.197.185.39
Remember, the date of 9-22-06 for DOLPHIN is a deactivation, even though the Navy is holding a Decommissioning Ceremony on that date. There will be a decommissioning (or last day) in December.
Rich Hoffner Monday, September 18, 2006 at 13:34:06   151.197.185.39
For USNS CORONADO deactivation postmark use the Old Town Philatelic Center address in San Diego.
Rich Hoffner Monday, September 18, 2006 at 13:32:55   151.197.185.39
USS FREEDOM LCS-1 will christen on 9-23-06 at Marinette WI 54143. No special cancel that I know of.
Dan Jacobs,or CCJake Monday, September 18, 2006 at 01:53:28   71.232.34.35
Rich N.
My condolences on the loss of your dad, time will heal the hurt and only good memories will remain.
Dan Goodwin Sunday, September 17, 2006 at 20:32:41   24.198.61.120
Rich, my condolances on the loss of your dad.
Dan Goodwin Sunday, September 17, 2006 at 20:31:01   24.198.61.120
I quit smoking April 28, 1984. COLD TURKEY after nearly coughing myself to death. After 6 months I could taste food and smell the flowers. Now my entire family is smoke free, even son Mark who spent 20 years in the navy. DON"T SMOKE!
Ed Devlin Sunday, September 17, 2006 at 18:33:35   12.76.173.189
I remember when cigarettes went for 90 cents a carton - that's 9 cents a pack. About 18 cents in port compared to 30 cents in a store.
I quit smoking 18 years ago and aside from marrying my wife it is the smartest thing that I've ever done.
DON'T SMOKE!
Ed Devlin Sunday, September 17, 2006 at 18:30:21   12.76.173.189
Rich - Sorry to hear about your dad.
John Hembree Sunday, September 17, 2006 at 17:41:31   67.33.171.31
Rich Hoffner,
Do you have the complete mailing address for the decommissioning of the CORONADO?
bill nestor Sunday, September 17, 2006 at 11:26:14   152.163.100.5
Rich: My condolences on the passsing of your father. It will be tough on you and your family in the days and weeks ahead. Such loss is always very difficult. Hang in there.
Steve Shay Sunday, September 17, 2006 at 10:51:42   4.246.6.122
Rich, condolences from my wife and I.
John Lyding Sunday, September 17, 2006 at 09:39:10   69.72.26.49
Navy won last night beating Stamford 37-9
John Lyding Sunday, September 17, 2006 at 09:29:24   69.72.26.49
Rich Sorry about your dad.
Greg Ciesielski Saturday, September 16, 2006 at 23:39:06   66.56.252.233
Rich, Sorry to hear of your loss. My dad passed away in 2001, seven days after finding cancer in his lungs and bones. Yep, he was a smoker too but now rests at Arlington. Because of that I have a permanent pass to Arlington so maybe I can go find Dr. Locy for Steve. My dad was a China Marine.
lbbrennan Saturday, September 16, 2006 at 21:55:06   38.117.188.10
Rich sorry about your dad. You're right about smoking. Sea stores charged next to nothing for cigarettes and lots of sailors smoked too much. Glad you enjoyed a great relationship
Mike Brock Saturday, September 16, 2006 at 21:39:20   67.164.96.237
Sorry about your Dad Rich. Mike
rich nallenweg Saturday, September 16, 2006 at 20:29:47   205.188.116.65
My dad served on the USS IRWIN DD-794 during the Korean War. He passed away Sunday. He was a very heavy smoker. Please don't smoke. He was a great dad.
rich nallenweg Saturday, September 16, 2006 at 20:27:40   205.188.116.65
Hi everyone,
Did you all see that there is a new e-bay category for naval covers? Now instead of listing them under 'other', I can list them under 'navals'. Maybe it has been there for awhile, but I just noticed it.
Ed Devlin Saturday, September 16, 2006 at 18:36:48   12.76.172.131
Also Fordham lost to Columbia and next week they play HC
Ed Devlin Saturday, September 16, 2006 at 18:32:27   12.76.172.131
Seawaves editor is on vacation for about 10 days so no new ship visit postings.
Ed Devlin Saturday, September 16, 2006 at 18:31:30   12.76.172.131
lb brennan - The good news - BC beat BYU in the second double overtime in a row.
The bad news - Harvard beat HC 31-14
Dave Kent Saturday, September 16, 2006 at 11:47:12   70.188.172.202
Steve, I'm just picturing the look on the face of the Secret Service agent when you said, "Oh, I'm just looking for the grave of a Navy doctor who studied postmarks in 1929." "Right," says the agent as he hauls you off to jail. Good thing we didn't have to bail you out.
The 1969 USCS convention was held at the Washington Navy Yard (when Herb Rommel was CO there). After the convention a delegation of USCS members went to Arlington and decorated Locy's grave. See photos in the July 1969 LOG. By the way, all the grave markers in Arlington look the same (unless you're someone Real Important like JFK).
Steve Shay Saturday, September 16, 2006 at 10:40:31   4.246.6.15
Dave, did I tell you how the cops and Secret Service had a fit when they found me near Dr. Locy's grave on Memorial Day? I had wandered into an area I didn't realize was closed due to the security for the President's visit and they were not happy to see me strolling through the rows of graves. Oh well, they eventually calmed down when they determined I wasn't out to do no good but they kicked me out before I got to Locy's grave and I was just a few feet away from it.
Mike Empey Friday, September 15, 2006 at 22:02:31   71.161.220.98
Herb,I read Blind Man's Bluff when I worked at Portsmouth on last of 637 class boats, and was describing a chapter on tapping the russian comm line. One of my bosses saysout loud kind of with out having a chance to sensor himself "Huh so that's what we were doing up there" had similiar experiences with other ex Sub sailors who worked at the yard apparently BMB's was pretty on the money.
Must be tough to see all those decommed boats, I remeber I visited Maine Yankee in the middle of decommisioning and it kind of made me sad to know they were ripping it down.
Herb Rommel Friday, September 15, 2006 at 21:38:48   68.0.217.179
The son of one of our crew was a supervisor at Mare Island Naval Shipyard and he gave us a talk on the deactivation of subs. There are dozens at Puget Sound; the reactors are all buried. I recommmend you read Blind Man's Bluff, astory of the cold war exploits. I understand the top sub man told his people to neither confirm or deny the stories in the book. Amazing.
Herb Rommel Friday, September 15, 2006 at 21:34:06   68.0.217.179
Just returned from USS Wilkes reunion at Groton. Only 8 shipmates attended; we are dying out. When i hosted the reunion in Newport 15 years ago there were 80, including Admiral Kelsy who was CO when she went aground; he got her off whithout losing a man. Pollux and Truston were lost with over 200 men. Go to the Wilkes web site; the entire text of our book The Lucky Ship is included and that book has the best description of routine life on a DD in wartime in print. We went to the Sub museum; it is great ; they listed 52 subs lost I had thought there were 51. And we visited the Nautilus; it is rigged as a tourist ship with plate glass over compartments and you get a stick with sound which describes where you are on the boat and explains things. Free, of course; outstanding.
Greg Ciesielski Friday, September 15, 2006 at 21:18:25   66.56.252.233
Larry, Herb and Dave...I am with stellar company tonight on the chatroom.
lb brennan Friday, September 15, 2006 at 21:14:30   38.117.188.10
Dave, sorry to reopen old medically caused wounds. Larry
Dave Kent Friday, September 15, 2006 at 20:36:27   70.188.172.202
Larry: the author of the navy medicine article on Dr. Locy shamelessly plagerized my biography of Locy without crediting the source. The only "original" research he did was to find the location of Locy's grave in Arlington National Cemetery.
Ed Devlin Friday, September 15, 2006 at 20:26:32   12.76.173.45
Re: The medal stuff. Many deserving individuals have received medals but my point was that the awarding of medals as favors or the lack of rewarding deserving individuals kind of cheapens the awards for everyone.
lb brennan Friday, September 15, 2006 at 20:26:04   38.117.188.10
Ed two of the most dangerous neighborhoods in NYc
lb brennan Friday, September 15, 2006 at 20:25:05   38.117.188.10
I wonder if the author of the navy medicine article on Dr locy has access to the cause of his death
Ed Devlin Friday, September 15, 2006 at 20:23:03   12.76.173.45
Jim McDevitt - Long time since you have been on here. Hello.
Ed Devlin Friday, September 15, 2006 at 20:22:25   12.76.173.45
lb - Fordham is playing Columbia this weekend. Hope there is no jetlag.
Dave Kent Friday, September 15, 2006 at 20:19:27   70.188.172.202
Dr. Locy, founder of our postmark classification system, was awarded the Navy Cross and the French Croix de Guerre with gilt star for operating his dressing station at the front in World War I under machine gun fire and poison gas attacks. Both are very high awards. Locy died when he was only 43. His official biography doesn't say what of, but I often wonder if it wasn't delayed effects of the poison gas.
lb brennan Friday, September 15, 2006 at 20:17:13   38.117.188.10
Ed I have to wait at the station when I get off this train for mary Kate who is enduring the trains from worcester to NJ
lb brennan Friday, September 15, 2006 at 20:15:14   38.117.188.10
And who is playing fordham?
Ed Devlin Friday, September 15, 2006 at 20:14:57   12.76.173.45
And let's not forget - Patriots v New York Jets. A new Red Sox - Yankees rivalry.
Ed Devlin Friday, September 15, 2006 at 20:13:20   12.76.173.45
lb - Holy Cross v Harvard this weekend. BC v BYU
lb brennan Friday, September 15, 2006 at 20:10:11   38.117.188.10
Dave hello from NJ transit in the rain
lb brennan Friday, September 15, 2006 at 20:08:28   38.117.188.10
Steve thanks I'm afraid it was too long but a great subject. Lots. Of sunken boats being located after 60 to 65 years
Mike Brock Friday, September 15, 2006 at 18:42:33   67.164.96.237
USS CHEYENNE covers arrived today from Norfolk.
SteveShay Friday, September 15, 2006 at 18:22:18   65.213.44.9
Interesting posting Larry, the Wahoo voyages make for good reading.
lbbrennan Friday, September 15, 2006 at 18:06:33   38.117.188.10
Mike, I also remember a physical at Third Naval District HQ in Brooklyn as an Ensign. The HN pumped up my arm so much that he had blood all over the bulkhead, my whites and shoulder boards. I think I lost the whites and worked hard to say the boards. Fortunately, the blood probably got on the blue portions since there was only a little bit of gold. I also remember it was painless. Another physical at NRC Ft. Dix tomorrow.
lbbrennan Friday, September 15, 2006 at 18:04:32   38.117.188.10
Mike, There are many heroic MDS and Corpsmen, including Dr. Locy.
lbbrennan Friday, September 15, 2006 at 17:15:52   38.117.188.10
This is similar to the Navy Times article about the finding of the wreck of USS WAHOOAn undersea grave for WWII heroes
63 years after submarine with 80 aboard was sunk off Japan, friends recall Fair Haven crewman, his legendary commander
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 08/24/06
BY KIRK MOORE
TOMS RIVER BUREAU
They were heroes in their day, submariners who showed Americans they could take the fight deep into enemy waters. But for sailor William E. Davison, his first patrol with the Navy's great undersea ace of World War II was also the last.
This summer, a dive team visited the resting place of Davison; his skipper, Cmdr. Dudley W. "Mush" Morton; and 78 other men lost when their submarine, the USS Wahoo, was sunk in October 1943 in the Sea of Japan as Morton attempted to slip back into the deep Pacific Ocean.
For longtime residents of Fair Haven — then a tightknit community with half the population it has today — news of the discovery harked back to years when a small town of 2,500 lost seven men to war.
"It's hard. He was a very close friend of mine," said Richard Pettigrew, 81, who grew up with Davison and other children in their DeNormandie Avenue neighborhood near the Navesink River. "Billy was a good boy. They all thought the world of him.
"I remember when he came to my house for the last time. He told my mother "This will be my last trip on a submarine. I don't know if I'll be coming back, but if I do, it will be the last,' " Pettigrew recalled. "I don't know how exactly to say this . . . but the captain was a little on the risky side."
Under Morton's command, the Wahoo and its crew had earned a reputation as the most lethal submarine in the Navy's Pacific fleet.
"The Wahoo had a hell of a price on her head. A hell of a price," said Bob Zerr of Rumson, Pettigrew's nephew.
Since the late 1940s, history buffs, underwater explorers and relatives of the lost crewmen have looked for where the Wahoo sank under relentless attacks from Japanese aircraft.
Success finally came to the USS Wahoo Project Group, organized by Bryan MacKinnon, an expatriate American who lives in Tokyo and is Morton's grandnephew, and the Australia-based Ocean Wilderness Group divers.
The USS Wahoo was lost with 80 men, according to historians. Postwar analysis correlated Japanese accounts of an Oct. 11, 1943, attack on a submarine in the La Perouse Strait, also known as the Soya Strait, a shallow 25-mile long passage between the northern Japanese island of Hokkiado and the Russian island of Sakhalin.
Working in chilly waters where the international border is still a matter of contention 61 years after the war ended, the searchers won important cooperation from Russian and Japanese groups. Organizers say a big break came when the Sakhalin Energy Investment Co. Ltd. provided sea-floor surveys to confirm a side-scan sonar contact believed to be the remains of the Wahoo. A Russian dive expedition operating out of Vladivostok confirmed the wreck was there at the end of July.
The Wahoo will be respected as a war grave. No one will be permitted to disturb the site, authorities have said.
Boldness was his hallmark
Historians say Morton was an aggressive officer whose criticism of the Wahoo's first captain for passing up Japanese targets led Navy superiors to transfer that officer to surface ships. Before taking the submarine to sea himself in January 1943, Morton famously warned the crew they were "expendable" and offered to let go anyone who wanted to stay on shore. None did.
Like many of those submariners in the early stage of the war, Davison had joined the professional prewar Navy. His family was well known in town — father Raymond was a chief of the fire company in the mid-1920s, and his son grew up among a crowd of close friends, "mostly swimming at the old Fair Haven steamboat dock and raising hell down there," Bob Zerr said. "In the winter they'd ice skate on McCarter's Pond and sleigh ride on the hill. He was at my grandmother's house all the time."
Davison and his best friend, Bill Pettigrew, Richard's older brother, joined the military soon after high school — Bill Pettigrew went to the Army, where he learned to fly assault gliders for airborne troops, Zerr said. Davison chose the Navy in 1939 and trained for submarines, becoming a motor machinist's mate, part of the engine room crew that operated diesel engines to propel the boats and charge their batteries on the surface, then used quiet electric motors when submerged.
Davison joined the Wahoo only for its last voyage, part of a crew that had replaced many of the longtime complement from the boat's first six combat patrols.
"There would be, by the third or fourth patrol, one-third of the crew as replacements," said Charles Hinman, director of education at the USS Bowfin Submarine Museum in Honolulu, Hawaii, chosen to be the Wahoo project's research custodians and curators.
Richard Pettigrew and another friend, Warren Chandler of Manchester, said Davison had served on submarines for years before he was tapped to sail with Morton on the Wahoo. During a visit home on leave in 1943, he told friends that this would be his last undersea patrol before he transferred.
Morton apparently had similar plans. Both captain and submarine had been lionized by the Navy and the news media for their rampages through Japanese sea lanes, and the Navy wanted to keep their sub ace alive to train other captains. But faulty torpedoes had frustrated Morton's attacks during his previous patrol, and he insisted on getting one more chance.
Rules go by the board
Morton and his officers were successful early because they decided to ignore the rules when they had to, historians say. Contrary to prewar Navy doctrine, on his first patrol in January 1943, Morton took the Wahoo on a high-speed surface run from Australia to the Palau islands near New Guinea, calculating the risk of enemy air attack was worth the additional days he would have to hunt Japanese ships.
In the weeks that followed, Morton and his crew disabled a Japanese destroyer in a harrowing head-on torpedo duel, and attacked a convoy carrying reinforcements for Japanese troops fighting Allied forces on New Guinea.
On its next patrol, the Wahoo sank nine enemy ships, an unprecedented number at the time. Morton and his crew sank three more on their next time out, to the frigid Kuril Islands in the northern Pacific. But for the Navy's notoriously unreliable torpedoes — with their dud warheads and erratic accuracy — the Wahoo would have destroyed even more shipping, Morton told superiors.
Large of frame and voice, Morton's "Mush" nickname came from "mushmouth," an epithet for a slurring Kentucky accent the commander frankly delighted in. He once had a banner made up for the Wahoo's mast with the motto "Shoot the Sunzabitches."
Upon returning from the Wahoo's sixth patrol, Morton's mouth got him into trouble when he unleashed his anger at superior officers. All nine of his attacks had failed when bad torpedoes went awry or failed to explode, he complained.
Morton's boss, Adm. Charles Lockwood, gave in to his plea for one more chance. The Wahoo was rearmed with new Mark 18 electric torpedoes and assigned a mission in the Sea of Japan — the enemy's heartland waters lying between the home islands and Japanese-occupied Korea and northeast China.
Davison had a chance to visit home in summer 1943.
"He was like an uncle to me," Zerr said, recalling Davison's dazzling white uniform with its dolphin insignia, the emblem of submariners. "The last time I saw him I was 9 or 10 years old. He was home on leave while the Wahoo was being refitted."
The final voyage
The Wahoo left Pearl Harbor Sept. 9, 1943, and was last seen at Midway Island after it had stopped to top off its tanks from the Navy fuel depot there. In the weeks that followed, the Wahoo sank four Japanese ships in the Sea of Japan, one with a reported loss of 544 lives. The Wahoo never returned.
"Everybody knew what happened to Billy Davison on the Wahoo," said John "Jack" Mulvihill, 60, who grew up among a postwar generation of children in Fair Haven, some of whom helped erect a recent addition to the war memorial at River and Fair Haven avenues: a plaque that lists Davison and others who never came home.
In northernmost Japan, another memorial stands on Cape Soya, not far from the old gun batteries where Japanese defenders first spotted the Wahoo. Part of the inscription in Japanese and English reads:
"When the Wahoo was lost it was the highest-scoring submarine in the US Navy. Eighty Americans sleep in the Soya Strait 12 miles northeast of here. Many Japanese sleep in the Sea of Japan from Wahoo attacks.
"This monument was erected by the members of the Japanese Attack Group and relatives of Americans lying in the Wahoo. Old enemies met as brothers to dedicate that our countries will have lasting peace and war will never again destroy the friendship we now enjoy today."
lbbrennan Friday, September 15, 2006 at 16:50:28   38.117.188.10
U.S. Navy Sailors man the rails aboard USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) as the ship prepares to moor pier side in Yokosuka, Japan, Sept. 15, 2006, following a 99-day summer cruise.
Mike Empey Friday, September 15, 2006 at 10:09:25   71.161.220.98
re: The MOH and the Navy, I worked at Portsmouth Naval for several years and whenever I would go out to the Naval Medical Clinic for my annual rad physical I would pace the hall (white coat fever) and read the awards on the wall most of which were for MOH winners rest were navy CRoss. Most of those were Naval Corpsman who had waded ashore at some godforsaken atoll or island with the USMC. Most of those awards had some passage about how "Corpsman Smith after being mortally wounded, severely wounded , or wounded numerous times, continued to treat marines or shielded wounded marines with his own body until mortally wounded".Years later I met a guy who served in USN (worked for my Dad who is retired USN and that pretty much guaranteed he'd hire you) during the Vietnam era who told me something to the effect that being a Corpsman then was a ticket to a Navy Cross or MOH. I always found this kind of ironic given the general disdain I heard numerous other navy ratings express towards corpsman. I know growing up and always getting corpsman vice nurses at various naval clinics we were dragged into I thought they were all ex-Whale ship harpooners the way they handled a needle, but if people were shooting at me and I was hurt I sure would want one of them with me.
lbbrennan Friday, September 15, 2006 at 08:43:48   38.117.188.10
Guys medals of honor are rare and I'm not conversant with all the navy usmc acts of heroism. Navy was a small player in the war except for SEALs throughout and aviation at the beginning the usmc docs and corpsmen have seen their share of combat and great acts of heroism including chaplains and their assistants. Navy and USMC are historically tight on awards "you don't get a medal for doing your job.". My clasmate Capt Roger crossland, a recently retired SEAL wrote an article in usnI proceedings about the importance of recognizing heroes
Dan Goodwin Friday, September 15, 2006 at 08:01:41   24.198.61.120
Ed Devlin you hit the nail directly on the head. I would also like to add that our Country lowers the American Flag for every Tom, Dick and Harry. That honor should be reserved for the men and womem who served to defend our freedoms. I know this is not the place for this but I had to comment. Covers are coming in slow lately.
Ed Devlin Friday, September 15, 2006 at 00:45:35   12.76.173.29
CCJake - Jake what do medals mean? To me the Purple Heart is the only true medal. There are some deserving recipiants of medals but think about it. You have to have witnesses, meaning officers that can write you up for your actions. Many deserving actions go unnoticed for that reason alone. What about personality differences? Or lost paperwork? And then there is politics. Awards that are lowered to the next level for various reasons. Or handed out like candy to certain underdesirving individuals.
Think about a past president that recieved a medal for taking one flight in a war zone and that was his combat experience.
And the one that galls me the most is the MOH that they gave to MacArthur. For what?
Campaign ribbons make more sense most of the time.Sorry, I got carried away.
Dan Jacobs,or CCJake Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 23:24:35   71.232.34.35
LarryB.
Do you have any opinions on why there hasn't been any MOH for several of the Naval heroes in both Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom??
Dan Jacobs,or CCJake Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 23:12:20   71.232.34.35
G'Evening LarryB.
lb brennan Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 23:08:23   38.117.188.10
Stewart. Didn't know about the show tomorrow. Let's chat. I'm busy in the am after 10
Ed Devlin Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 22:48:17   12.76.173.29
But there is one part of the USPS that gets too little credit - the carriers. These people do an outstanding job and in all kinds of weather and get plenty of grief from the supervisors.
esink Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 22:38:55   71.230.37.46
I guess I am the exception to the rule...I have never had abrupt, abrasive, arrogant, or impolite
treatment by any USPS employee. They have always been courteous and treated me well. The only time I ever disagreed with a USPS employee was in my hometown of population of 3000 (or less)on the day of its bicentennial. I wanted a postmark on that day even though it was not a pictorial and I asked for a "handback" on the commemorative postcard. The clerk advised that a "handback" was not allowed because the postmark was not a pictorial. After discussing this, the clerk asked for assistance from another clerk who agreed that
"handbacks" were not allowed for ordinary postmarks so I had to address the card and mail it to myself. Even here, the clerks were very polite.
Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 21:51:19   12.75.162.187
and no one has mentioned that the USPS is too heavy with managers, supervisors and administrators and very few of them do their managing, supervising or administrating very well. Throw into the mix that they do not seem to be answerable to anyone and you have the current situation.
Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 21:48:03   12.75.162.187
Hi John.
Stewart B. Milstein Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 21:47:53   12.75.162.187
LB - there is a stamp show tomorrow on 57th St - will you be there? I think you are at the stadium right now (are you in the rain)?
lbbrennan Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 21:36:27   38.117.188.10
Bottom of the 7th yankees 7 Tampa bay 4. Two puts two on for posada
lbbrennan Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 21:22:47   38.117.188.10
Dave nice to see you here again. Stay away from surgeons and their toys and get better. The USPS needs to close some of its post offices, make the people work and fix the attitude. They're a bureauracy in permanent decline only saved by the lack of competition. Look at price club, walmart and the like they prosper. I drive to the furthest of four nearby post offices because one has only employee and truck parking the others insfaquate customer parking and all four have varying degrees of unpleasant to psychotic clerks who delay opening for 15 minutes in the AM to argue. Like toll takers on highways they beg to be replaced by machines and that is sad.
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 21:00:48   151.197.185.39
Anyone know if Christening for TRUXTUN has been postponed? Date had been set as 9-30-06.Fire forces ship's evacuation
Sunday, May 21, 2006
By NATALIE CHANDLER
The Mississippi Press
PASCAGOULA -- A fire on board a ship under construction at Northrop Grumman Ship Systems forced the evacuation of workers and caused extensive damage to the vessel Saturday morning.
The fire began at 9:15 a.m. on the second level of Truxtun DDG-103, an Arleigh Burke class destroyer, said Northrop Grumman spokesman Bill Glenn.
The Northrop Grumman Ship Systems fire and rescue department responded immediately to the scene and called for an evacuation of all personnel on the ship, Glenn said.
Glenn, who was unsure how many workers were evacuated, said no one was injured.
The fire began in an area where electronics are stored, and was fully involved when the Pascagoula Fire Department arrived on the scene to help, said acting battalion chief Terry Eiland.
"At first, (Northrop Grumman) had only three firemen fighting it," said Eiland, who arrived with eight Pascagoula firemen. "I could see the smoke from Market Street."
Eiland said it took about 1 1/2 hours to control the fire, which engulfed two levels of the ship.
"Metal conducts heat really well, and that was the big problem we had getting it under control," Eiland said. "Every time we thought we had it out, it flared up somewhere else."
A Northrop Grumman firefighter was treated on the scene for heat exhaustion, Eiland said.
The ship appeared to be in the early stages of construction, Eiland added.
He estimated damage to be in the millions of dollars.
Eiland said his department has helped Northrop Grumman fight two other fires in the last ten years, on another ship and at a warehouse.
The cause of Saturday's fire was not immediately known and will be the subject of a thorough investigation, Glenn said.
Greg Ciesielski Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:47:56   66.56.252.233
Dave - Thanks! Just wanted to make sure my emails were getting out. Get well and so shall I (someday).
Dave Kent Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:46:09   70.188.172.202
Hi, Greg. Yes, got your message and a large assortment of others lately. Give me a chance to sort them all out. I'm still recovering from that encounter with the surgeon's knife (make that knives) in July.
Mike Empey Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:45:48   71.161.220.98
Dave and Greg I recently e-mailed 2 foreign post offices and 2 of our embassies and no one wouold even get back to me. Though I must say a 3rd the Austrailian had an excellent wesite
Dave Kent Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:44:18   70.188.172.202
Without wishing to defend the Postal Service -- I get annoyed with them, too -- it is the largest business-type operation in the world, and it's a wonder anything ever goes right. People are impressed by Walmart, with 4,000 stores, but the Postal Service has 40,000 stores, and something like 750,000 employees. Any enterprise that big is inherently unmanageable. What is sad is that OUR post office is just about the best in the world. Imagine what it's like in some other countries!
Greg Ciesielski Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:39:20   66.56.252.233
Dave Kent - Have you received my recents emails concerning a USMC postmark inquiry?
Mike Empey Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:22:37   71.161.220.98
Oh boy I hope the Seadogs have some young healthy pitchers. The wife and I lived in Portland when they first started up before they were associated with BoSox they had a great park use to have a light house that pooped up if someone hit a homer!
Mike Empey Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:20:08   71.161.220.98
Speaking of Post Office there was story on VT news tonight about a special cancellation being used in conjunction with the Samuel D Champlain 400 Anniversay stamp. You can get it at 1 post office on VT (Alburgh/Isle Lamotte) side of the Lake, one on NY (Rouses Point) side, and 1 Canadian PO in QC which I did not even get the pronunciation of never mind the spelling. I will get the official story off the web and post it, supposed to be avail able for a month. My son and I were going to try and at least get the US cancellations on some stuff, it's a hassle to go to Can. We have been working on making up some covers for the various Lake Champlain ferries.
Most PO in VT are very helpful although it has been almost impossible to get the Samuel Champlain stamp lately always sold out.
Dan Goodwin Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:16:55   24.198.61.120
OK Red Sox fans. The Portland (Maine) Sea Dogs (Red Sox AA) need one more win to be Eastern League Champions. I look for some of these guys in Boston next year.
lbbrennan Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:13:18   38.117.188.10
It's 2 to 1 Tampa bay in the 5th matsui has homered. Wait to the 7th inning
lbbrennan Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:11:34   38.117.188.10
The 26 time world champions, in first place in the American league east, who captain is the MVP, the only team to win 5 consecutive World series (I was born in the year of the 5th ws) and the team on its way to a 11th or 12th consecutive post season
Mike Empey Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:09:25   71.161.220.98
Who are the Yankees playing and how much are they winning by?
lbbrennan Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:07:45   38.117.188.10
Dan and visitor hi too
Mike Empey Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:07:31   71.161.220.98
Oh no not the Yankees! My poor Boston Red Sox wife is dying watching this summer
lbbrennan Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:01:39   38.117.188.10
Mike good evening from Yankee stadium
lbbrennan Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 20:00:23   38.117.188.10
Rich you reminded me of how annoyed I was at the big DC stamp show I visited during our convention. The USPS treats us like dogs and they have the managerial skills of morons not to mention the arrogance of public servants. It is a shame because there are some good people who help us but if there were competition they'd lose out to the rambler salesmen.
lbbrennan Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 19:56:09   38.117.188.10
Rich. The money is just rounding dust to the bureaucrats in DC. Shipbuilding like building aircraft is obscenely expensive. Like the price of postage. We should look on the internet to read the USPS releases re the value of the 9/11 heroes stamps
lbbrennan Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 19:48:55   38.117.188.10
Navy times has interesting article on the finding of mush morton's Wahoo
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 18:35:49   151.197.185.39
Elgin, it should be good for thrity days as all pictorials are.
esink Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 18:14:27   71.230.37.46
Nice covers rec'd from "Old Glory" station in NYC 10006 for 9-11 fifth anniversary. Anybody know if this postmark has the USPS 30 day grace period? I remember that the first anniversary did...
Mike Brock Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:48:32   67.164.96.237
Rich it was removed a while ago.
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:46:53   151.197.185.39
Mike, I can't find the recent catalog of stamps for sale by the USPS in Kansas City. I wanted to see if it was in there for 39c. Perhaps it was removed before the rate change?
Mike Brock Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:44:41   67.164.96.237
Mr. Foo's address and the location to send for the 9-11 pictorial cancellation is the same.
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:43:23   151.197.185.39
If you want to try to call him, the number I have is 212-330-2187 or 88.
Mike Brock Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:42:51   67.164.96.237
Thanks Rich.
Mike Brock Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:42:29   67.164.96.237
I'm still going to send the covers back with additional postage... this will not be cleared up in time.
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:41:04   151.197.185.39
Customer Service contact at NY is;
Mr. Alan Foo
Special Events
Room 2029B
421 8th Ave.
New York NY 10199-9998He is the contact Phil S. uses when he submits cancels for Fleet Week each year.
Mike Brock Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:40:39   67.164.96.237
I understand...Like you said they don't call it "going postal" for nothing.
Mike Brock Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:38:57   67.164.96.237
Good take your time with the move...less stress.
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:37:55   151.197.185.39
As for the USPS, I meet all kinds working our hobby. Folks who want to impress you that they are in charge and know it all, folks who come off very friendly and appear to go out of their way to help, and complete idiots! It's hard to sort it out.
Mike Brock Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:37:36   67.164.96.237
Rich...please give me Mr. Foo address. Thanks
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:36:09   151.197.185.39
Move going slow. And I like it that way. We take some "stuff" up to the other house every day. No date set for the "big move". Mostly small furniture, dust gathers, etc. on the move just now. I have time, since we have not even put the house on the market yet.
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:34:23   151.197.185.39
Mike, in "City Hall" no one knows what anyone else is doing, and I suspect the USPS is sort of the same way! I feel that when a collector is right, we need to let postal officials know. It's their job to know, so if they don't, who else will tell them. We just have to be polite and say thank you as we are doing it.
Mike Brock Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:33:16   67.164.96.237
Will do Rich thanks. How's the move going?
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:32:10   151.197.185.39
Mike, check with Phil Schreiber, he designed the cancel for the LST Assn, and possibly the published address for the cancel is wrong. He probably has an address of where the cancel is actually hiding.
Mike Brock Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:31:37   67.164.96.237
Hi Rich...
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:30:45   151.197.185.39
Hi Mike...
Rich Hoffner Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 17:30:15   151.197.185.39
Navy may cut assault ship to fund destroyer, cruiser
By Christopher P. Cavas
Staff writerThe Navy proposes to cut a $3.7 billion assault ship from the Future Years Defense Plan, raising questions about the service's commitment to the amphibious force and to stability in its shipbuilding programs. The Navy had planned to order the ship in 2010, then order a similar, civilian-manned variant the following year for the Maritime Prepositioning Force (Future) Sea Base program.
But the Program Objective Memorandum for 2008 sent for approval to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in mid-August deleted the "gray-hull" Navy LHA(R), a replacement ship for current LHA amphibious assault ships from 2010. The POM08 also moved the MPFF variant of the 44,000-ton design, the Maritime Prepositioning Force Aviation Variant from 2011 to 2010.
The POM08 document shows no Navy-manned LHA(R) through 2013, 2011 is the first year the Navy plans to ask for a CG(X) cruiser, and the fifth DDG 1000 Zumwalt-class destroyer also is in the plan. Each ship could cost well over $3 billion, and removing the MPF AV, estimated to cost about $2.35 billion from 2011 gives the service a bit more breathing room and reduces the fiscal 2010 requirements by about $1.35 billion.
The $2.35 billion saved in FY11 by eliminating the LHA(R) is almost exactly equal to the [officially] estimated cost of the FY11 DDG 1000, said Ron O?Rourke, a naval budget analyst with the Co